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I think I've got it now, thanks everyone for the help. Let see if I have it down yet. Bad dog no biscuit! Lycra and no helmet, sure you look stylish, *cough* cough* if it was still the 80's I mean. Good dog's. When they get kicked through a goalpost from 40 years out for humping your girlfriends leg and making it look like a glazed donut, they'll still be safe. Bad dog, you have the helmet now but don't chop the rope and drop my backpack from 200' up Opps:-) No biscuit! Good dog - fetch me that beer!

3" screen G? In either case, post anywhere and everywhere Mufster, nice to see you around!

He means The Far Side. I was up at higher elevations so have no clue about it, but I could see heat prostration, wasn't it like suppose to be 97 degrees in the valley yesterday? Ozone and The Far Side would be full on sun all day. In either case, I heard it was at the Ozone. Hope the person will be OK.

Great stuff!

Yeah, I read what you wrote the other day, you called this one.....as if on cue.... I actually have close to zero knowledge of state budgets. This is something which state legislators apportion. I've seen some of the huge mandatory overcommitments to PERS retirement funds some states carry, but truthfully, do not know where it falls in the budget percentagewise etc. I see these kinds of story's all the time: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/Sunday_Reflections/Public-sector-employees-are-the-new-fat-cats-93125624.html 5500 people ....Wow! That's a huge impact.

2 words: Psyco Bitch. Investigators Question Attendant's Tale By SEAN GARDINER And TAMER EL-GHOBASHY Investigators probing the circumstances surrounding a JetBlue flight attendant's outburst and exit from a plane at Kennedy Airport are beginning to question the narrative that he was provoked by an injury suffered during a confrontation with an unruly passenger, according to Port Authority officials with knowledge of the investigation. The officials said Steven Slater's assertion that he was hit in the head by luggage or an overhead bin door while trying to assist an abusive passenger with her oversize bag isn't being corroborated by other passengers. Investigators believe such a passenger may not exist and that he could have received the gash on his forehead before he boarded the flight in Pittsburgh. "There's certainly a decent amount of doubt at this point," said a Port Authority official familiar with the investigation. JetBlue is also in the dark. The Wall Street Journal reviewed a memo to employees that says, "Was there an altercation on the flight that precipitated or motivated Mr. Slater's action? It's unclear." Port Authority police have been interviewing passengers since the incident Monday when Mr. Slater delivered an expletive-laced resignation from his job on the flight's public-address system before leaving the jet on the inflatable emergency chute in the back of the plane, officials said. So far, none of the passengers interviewed told police that they witnessed Mr. Slater being injured, said a law-enforcement official with knowledge of the case. A JetBlue flight attendant activated an emergency slide after a confrontation with a passenger on a plane, grabbed cans of beer from the aircraft's galley and slid down the chute before taking off in his car. Video courtesy of Fox News. "I think this is moving toward a working theory of it never happened," he said. "There are some people who have said he came on board the aircraft with injuries." Officers involved in Mr. Slater's arrest say when they arrived at his Queens home about an hour after he grabbed two beers and hit the chute that his eyes were blood shot, he smelled of alcohol and was unsteady on his feet, the official said. Passengers interviewed by the Journal said Mr. Slater acted strangely during the flight and cursed at one passenger as she exited at Kennedy Airport. Marjorie Briskin, a 53-year-old passenger, said the flight attendant continued to curse at the young woman even as she walked away through the jetway. Asked if Mr. Slater was drunk at any point during the flight, his attorney, Howard Turman, said "no." Mr. Turman, speaking at a news conference in front of Mr. Slater's home, reiterated the story that Mr. Slater was injured while intervening between "a number of passengers who were competing for space in the overhead bins with great difficulty. There was a great deal of shoving. Steven came over to assist and was hit in the head either by a bag or the overhead bin, which is when he received the injury." That episode on the ground in Pittsburgh led to the dramatic exit in New York, the attorney said. "The woman was upset because one of her carry-on bags was checked," Mr. Turman, a legal-aid attorney, said as Mr. Slater stood by his side nodding. "There was a lack of civility on the part of one person." Mr. Turman suggested Mr. Slater was seeking a plea bargain and said he has had "preliminary discussions" with the Queens District Attorney's office. Those negotiations couldn't be confirmed with the district attorney's office Thursday. Mr. Slater, 38, who was charged with criminal mischief, reckless endangerment and trespassing, has been cast as a working-class hero by some in the media and on the Internet for telling off rude passengers and then quitting in style. Mr. Turman said his client, who pleaded not guilty to the charges, appreciates the support but isn't enjoying the spotlight and only wants to return to aviation. "This is a man who only cares about his industry, the airline industry," Mr. Turman said. "He wants to thank JetBlue. It is a wonderful airline. Steven loves working for them and wishes to continue working for them." JetBlue has said that Mr. Slater has been suspended. —Kavita Mokha contributed to this article."

Holy crap. What are all these folks going to do? I guess the local democrats are imitating the national democrats on this issue? "Let them eat cake!" Wow. Washington cuts 5500 off LINK Gregoire Orders 5,500 Families Cut From Welfare Rolls Austin Jenkins | August 12, 2010 | Olympia, WA More than 5,000 Washington families will lose their welfare benefits starting in February. That's just one of the cuts Governor Chris Gregoire ordered Thursday to keep the state budget from going into the red. Despite a half billion dollar bailout from the feds, Washington state's budget is still in peril. So Governor Gregoire is getting out the budget shears. Washington's welfare program – called WorkFirst – is one area where the Democratic governor has ordered deep reductions. That includes enforcing a strict five-year limit on receiving welfare benefits – even for families who are in compliance with welfare rules and actively looking for a job. Robin Zukoski Zoo-kosk-key with Columbia Legal Services calls that draconian. Robin Zukoski: "By definition these are the families that are the hardest to work with and the ones who face the most barriers and challenges to entering the world of work and they are the most vulnerable and they are the one who are going to be losing their benefits." Also under the Governor's cuts, more than 2,000 working families in Washington will lose their child care subsidies starting in October. Gregoire's social services director calls the cuts "painful," yet "necessary."

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There was a rumor that Mad Rock had bought CCH (and Fish products) and was going to start up production in 2011 of Aliens. The prices started dropping. Vegastradguy at RC.com just came back from the outdoor retailer show and Mad Rock told him that was not true. At least that's one thing in the cog. Another might be that Aliens really rock on Yosemite big wall aid, and spring was a bunch of dudes running around trying to buy the pieces to fill out recommended racks for valley wall routes, as currently its too hot to climb in the valley, and folks are up in the high country doing free routes, that demand has softened. Plus a bunch of folks saw the pricing and started selling.....

I hardly consider myself a democrat although I do vote for an occasional one. This was set up a long time in advance. Read this thoroughly and see what your argument is on it: http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/10-republican-lies-about-bush-tax-cuts Bottom line for me, concentrating the wealth in the hands of a few is a recipe for disaster. Furthermore, not only were those cuts not needed at the time as the economy was fine, those cuts did not stimulate, and worst of all we borrowed the money from the Chinese to make them. WT hell? Now we are (all of us, you too) in hock up to our necks. Unfortunately, behind the curtain is the ongoing devastation which US manufacturing has seen in the last 10 years. That's been bipartisan, even Clinton was in on it, but at least when he was President he was balancing the budget and consumers were seeing an increase in their living standard as free trade brought prices down. As international wage competition continues to heat up, and mfg goes toward the lowest cost labor on the planet, money is shifting to the wealthy and it's a perfect storm shaping up here I'm afraid. The entitlement and belligerence of our fellow citizens will be the wild card here, you can even see this on this board. Not a good thing. We need to get our act together as soon as possible, the longer this mess goes on, the worse it will be. Tonights Bloomberg news: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-11/u-s-is-bankrupt-and-we-don-t-even-know-commentary-by-laurence-kotlikoff.html "U.S. Is Bankrupt and We Don't Even Know It: Laurence Kotlikoff By Laurence Kotlikoff - Aug 10, 2010 6:00 PM PT Aug. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Laurence Kotlikoff, an economics professor at Boston University, talks about the state of the U.S. economy. Kotlikoff speaks with Erik Schatzker on Bloomberg Television's InsideTrack." (Source: Bloomberg) "Let’s get real. The U.S. is bankrupt. Neither spending more nor taxing less will help the country pay its bills. What it can and must do is radically simplify its tax, health-care, retirement and financial systems, each of which is a complete mess. But this is the good news. It means they can each be redesigned to achieve their legitimate purposes at much lower cost and, in the process, revitalize the economy. Last month, the International Monetary Fund released its annual review of U.S. economic policy. Its summary contained these bland words about U.S. fiscal policy: “Directors welcomed the authorities’ commitment to fiscal stabilization, but noted that a larger than budgeted adjustment would be required to stabilize debt-to-GDP.” But delve deeper, and you will find that the IMF has effectively pronounced the U.S. bankrupt. Section 6 of the July 2010 Selected Issues Paper says: “The U.S. fiscal gap associated with today’s federal fiscal policy is huge for plausible discount rates.” It adds that “closing the fiscal gap requires a permanent annual fiscal adjustment equal to about 14 percent of U.S. GDP.” The fiscal gap is the value today (the present value) of the difference between projected spending (including servicing official debt) and projected revenue in all future years. To put 14 percent of gross domestic product in perspective, current federal revenue totals 14.9 percent of GDP. So the IMF is saying that closing the U.S. fiscal gap, from the revenue side, requires, roughly speaking, an immediate and permanent doubling of our personal-income, corporate and federal taxes as well as the payroll levy set down in the Federal Insurance Contribution Act. Such a tax hike would leave the U.S. running a surplus equal to 5 percent of GDP this year, rather than a 9 percent deficit. So the IMF is really saying the U.S. needs to run a huge surplus now and for many years to come to pay for the spending that is scheduled. It’s also saying the longer the country waits to make tough fiscal adjustments, the more painful they will be. Is the IMF bonkers? No. It has done its homework. So has the Congressional Budget Office whose Long-Term Budget Outlook, released in June, shows an even larger problem. ‘Unofficial’ Liabilities Based on the CBO’s data, I calculate a fiscal gap of $202 trillion, which is more than 15 times the official debt. This gargantuan discrepancy between our “official” debt and our actual net indebtedness isn’t surprising. It reflects what economists call the labeling problem. Congress has been very careful over the years to label most of its liabilities “unofficial” to keep them off the books and far in the future. For example, our Social Security FICA contributions are called taxes and our future Social Security benefits are called transfer payments. The government could equally well have labeled our contributions “loans” and called our future benefits “repayment of these loans less an old age tax,” with the old age tax making up for any difference between the benefits promised and principal plus interest on the contributions. The fiscal gap isn’t affected by fiscal labeling. It’s the only theoretically correct measure of our long-run fiscal condition because it considers all spending, no matter how labeled, and incorporates long-term and short-term policy. $4 Trillion Bill How can the fiscal gap be so enormous? Simple. We have 78 million baby boomers who, when fully retired, will collect benefits from Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid that, on average, exceed per-capita GDP. The annual costs of these entitlements will total about $4 trillion in today’s dollars. Yes, our economy will be bigger in 20 years, but not big enough to handle this size load year after year. This is what happens when you run a massive Ponzi scheme for six decades straight, taking ever larger resources from the young and giving them to the old while promising the young their eventual turn at passing the generational buck. Herb Stein, chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under U.S. President Richard Nixon, coined an oft-repeated phrase: “Something that can’t go on, will stop.” True enough. Uncle Sam’s Ponzi scheme will stop. But it will stop too late. And it will stop in a very nasty manner. The first possibility is massive benefit cuts visited on the baby boomers in retirement. The second is astronomical tax increases that leave the young with little incentive to work and save. And the third is the government simply printing vast quantities of money to cover its bills. Most likely we will see a combination of all three responses with dramatic increases in poverty, tax, interest rates and consumer prices. This is an awful, downhill road to follow, but it’s the one we are on. And bond traders will kick us miles down our road once they wake up and realize the U.S. is in worse fiscal shape than Greece. Some doctrinaire Keynesian economists would say any stimulus over the next few years won’t affect our ability to deal with deficits in the long run. This is wrong as a simple matter of arithmetic. The fiscal gap is the government’s credit-card bill and each year’s 14 percent of GDP is the interest on that bill. If it doesn’t pay this year’s interest, it will be added to the balance. Demand-siders say forgoing this year’s 14 percent fiscal tightening, and spending even more, will pay for itself, in present value, by expanding the economy and tax revenue. My reaction? Get real, or go hang out with equally deluded supply-siders. Our country is broke and can no longer afford no- pain, all-gain “solutions.” (Laurence J. Kotlikoff is a professor of economics at Boston University and author of “Jimmy Stewart Is Dead: Ending the World’s Ongoing Financial Plague with Limited Purpose Banking.” The opinions expressed are his own.)"

That looks like it might end poorly. How about: Little bit more obvious.

Anyone ever do or know of any routes at Saddle Mountain in the Oregon Coast range? I'm thinking a look/see is in order this weekend. Anyone looked? Whadda think? (other than the ice in that pic is long gone )

Are they working on the schools next?

I'm with Jeff. Nice work and thanks for sharing it!

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I agree with you on that, and I've said that before. As Bush handed the ball to the current group (admittedly at the last moment) and the Democratic group ran with it, I didn't say it again here in response to Bob as the context of my post was that both the republicans and democrats appear to have the same game plan on this subject. As far as Samesame and wasting money goes, one of President Obamas biggest campaign pledges was to get us out of Iraq. I heard several versions of this, the most shocking was that he would have us totally out in like 4 months after he was elected. Gradually and quietly, he added time to that promise. I suspect that his current plan of leaving 50,000 troops in there until we are damn good and ready to pull them out would have been the exact one that John McCain was publicly admitting too during the election. I'm not saying this is Obamas fault or that it's the wrong thing to do at this late stage of the game, it's probably the best option. Bush and crew pushed us into that with an unusual unreserved zealotry rarely seen, and we have a lot of money invested in that shit hole due strictly to the repubs, but regardless: it appears currently as samesame business as usual. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/ Oh, and please, no one misconstrue this to mean I'd prefer McCain to Obama. I think we are much better off with Barak, especially if the pressure of being pres had caused a McCain heart attack and Palin had succeeded him. The man showed horrible judgment in choosing her for his running mate. It is interesting that the big picture policies (excluding health care) are often so similar.

Given the direction our deficit is going, it's a huge train wreck in process and it needs to be stopped. Even Obama is starting to take notice of it. We need to reverse the Bush tax cuts (it's happening) sure, but this guy is missing the big elephant in the room for not even breathing a word on our crazy overseas war spending that has been running us into the dirt.

Nice advice.

Helpful, it might make you helpful if you are answering a question.

Lets ask Raindawg for his opinion. Maybe he'll declare a fatwa.

I'm with you on this one Bob, thanks for clarifying your point. In fact, they say that's what happened with the recent bank bailout. We (the suckers/taxpayers) loaned the banks money at zero percent interest that we had borrowed from China and they turned around and shopped it to Europe and were getting up to 5% return on free (to them) money. The CEOS and investors are walking home with huge bonus's from out of our pocket. Unfortunately, we paid interest when we borrowed it (from the Chinese and others) and of course "We The People" still owe it. What can we do? Saying don't vote repub or democrat on it won't work as this one was done by the Democrats. Goldman Sachs, Citibank and JP Morgan all were top 10 donors of President Obamas. http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=n00009638 "You load sixteen tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt. Saint Peter, don't you call me, 'cause I can't go; I owe my soul to the company store."

Whats to spin? There's no "ahhh hahhh, gotya" here. Repubs have traditionally seen more support from business and the Dems from Unions. It's an ideological divide. Furthermore, as polical numbers change, so do contributions. It did for repubs when the Bush poll numbers sunk as well. Sometimes we see them chris and cross. Like Obama got a lot of big business support for his election, possibly due to a Bush rejection on the part of rational people in cluding business's so did Clinton. For instance, Archer Daniel Midlands was both Bush 1 AND Clintons biggest donor I think I remember. That's just how it usually shakes out Bob.

Quick, someone post a climbing picture or 2. So since 8:40 is double 4:20 what happens at 8:40 anyway? Twice the energy? Double dosing? Is 8:40 THE NEW 4:20 OMG!

LOL! Nice catch bone!

http://journalstar.com/news/local/article_87244502-a298-11df-98b1-001cc4c03286.html says eight years before the billionaires "death," Hughes substituted a Las Vegas derelict for himself and he moved on. Wow! Crazy stuff. I thought that the Glomar Explorer tale was out there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSF_Explorer