billcoe

If you could supply a coherent argument, I'll listen. When the dialog slips into the typical vocabulary of demagogurey, jack-booted thugs, knuckle-draggers, and facists, well then that's not an argument. This is why I rarely respond to jb. Whats the point? Pfft, BTW, questioning a Stalinist libtard doesn't even make Jim a regressive wannabe. No way. Hmmm, probably just makes him "normal". Abby Normal? ...A balanced person? Hmmm.

We'll be at Red Rocks come Nov. You want to join us? Red Rocks is pretty damn nice then.

You've summited El Cap 8 times by some routes that are still considered bad-assed. All you can learn from me, Grasshopper, is how to uncork Sobos wine that he stores in his basement, drink some and then pee in the half filled bottle, so as to get some free wine, and not alert the host when he finally gets to the bottle we'd put back. They never know. It's all about percentages. Hey Sobo, Pink and I were wonderin if that invitation is still open?

I believe if you substitute the word information for the word "crap" in the first sentence, new folks, out of town climbers or folks just looking for current conditions could find their info better and everyone would benefit. To answer that question on top. I think if you could tell us how much snow we will see this winter and how settled the active weather is in spring, we could answer it much better. Furthermore, what is your skill level? Climbing experience? Gear? Do you ski? Winter camp? Good with map and compass or GPS? Are you local or flying in from New York? It all makes a difference. Sorry for the questions. I've summited in every calender month at least once, and think generally, (but there were exceptions) at least as of 15 years+ ago and then some, late May-Early June is the better time to get what you describe. My kids and wife say that one of my larger faults is offering unsolicited advice. But here goes. Get in shape. Learn as much as you can, but the very most important thing for you may be this: when you head up there - do not be GOAL oriented, but be PROCESS oriented. This is how you not just survive it if it goes to total shit, but actually enjoy it. have fun!

He'd be one of the folks who posts here it would be nice to hang around with for sure.

Wait a Paonia minute here...are you saying now that he has to be Naked? If he does it with shoes, you'll discount or disqualify the free-solo? Cause he might be about ready to do it after all this old man dribbling we've produced here has about sent all the normal folks to the loony bin. Maybe it was the other Nate. How about if I do it, naked but with shoes (and tape). Wrinkly old man style. 2 years of silence? Original route to access the steep upper dihedral, not the direct start past the pins. No downclimbing Jill's unroped either....that's freaking bad-assed. I'd just want time to go make sure I had it wired.

LOL! So true!

Sweet. It should give you lots of time to insult those who don't agree with you, like all of the intolerants on this thread.

CYA! As he just free-soloed Blownout and free solo/downclimbed Jill's Thrill the other day, can we assume you're out of here for 6 months Andrew? Give you time to go climb something. I heard from your protege just yesterday or maybe it was this morning, King Blacktard, that he climbed a route in the Black Canyon while you were sleeping or wanking or what ever old person moves you were doing.

Rocky Butte. They were there when I got there and still up till dark. Name the route or describe and they're yours again.

Are they using your biner up there? This thing showed up when you were in California....I'll see you tonight remind me. If someone else speaks for it....well - it's a chance for you to meet new people I suppose.

At least they'd finally be in the "green jobs" business. The environment would do better with less consumers. Perhaps they can accept volunteers.

@ 15 of us tried that 3 years ago Nate, didn't work. But you have a good point. I think that the CC.com brain trust gave us our own forum, hoping they'd keep us in our own little nut house, but the patients get out of the cuckoos nest and wander the halls periodically....

Yeah? I don't think it was you. This guy was wild eyed looking. Naked except for heavy boots and this sandwich board which said: "MY WIFE EX-WIFE IS A LYING BITCH". and some other things about the government and such. Your wife is a lovely person that's why he might have been the weekend shift.....If they are hiring, I can make up a sandwich board in no time. I'd be interested in the second shift. I'd probably go with the Government rant and the Peregrine rant I suppose. No, belay that Peregrine thing: "Obama is a Muslim": that one! YESSSSS! I'd leave the Peregrine rant for the bone. Oh here's the money! "Obama is a Kenyan Muslim" I'm off to buy some boots.

Absolfreakingloutly Teh Phuzzy, I need the workout. I was going to meet Chad (Lodestone) and his buddy out there after work, but my day is about to take a turn for the busy. I'll be leaving the office soon, and I can't actually tell when I can actually hit it. Chad had wanted to do Toothpick/Blueberry, but I suggested Silver Bullet instead so Bryan (and Skander) can easily wander over when they're tired of picking at rock. Chad has a toyota truck, I have a CR-V. Look for us. Chads 30's good looking and thin, I'm 56, short and balding....old...disgusting looking, hair going grey from diswater blond, double chin...train wreck lookin....I'll be wearing a dark blue shirt and tan slacks....you can click my avatar and look through the pics. Not all the old guy pics are me though, I climb with Jeff and Jim and they're even older. Here, this w/no dog:

LOL! Fixed that for you. I think I use to see that guy up at the VA hospital, naked but for wearing a sandwich board with handwritten felt tip exclamations on it.

...and yet some, like yourself, do have homes. This shooting is very sad no matter how you look at it.

No answer jayb, apparently if you're a "progressive", *cough* tax and spend libtard * cough *, then sure, hey, it's only money. To them the taxpayers have unlimited scratch: they can and should pay for everything under the sun which the government wants: "let the taxpayer pick up the tab it's only money they have lots of it".

Holy crap. Cat's out of the bag. Except it's a press release, why isn't the mainstream media jumping all over this? "WASHINGTON, Sept. 15 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Witness testimony from more than 120 former or retired military personnel points to an ongoing and alarming intervention by unidentified aerial objects at nuclear weapons sites, as recently as 2003. In some cases, several nuclear missiles simultaneously and inexplicably malfunctioned while a disc-shaped object silently hovered nearby. Six former U.S. Air Force officers and one former enlisted man will break their silence about these events at the National Press Club and urge the government to publicly confirm their reality."

Geoff, who's got the red taped biners? I have one. I've had it in front of the passenger seat for some time (A BD) hoping the owner will see it. Is that your's?

Well...sure there is "law and policy" facts to learn for many, and I agree that not talking to the agency at all: but simply bitching online exclusively is way off kilter and unproductive: but as far as facts go, you don't have a lot of "facts" in your post by way of a response to me. As I understand it, the pair I posted about, the ones on the Fremont bridge, just showed up. They were not hacked (planted) there as you seem to believe. We're not talking about a building in Pittsburgh or Frisco, I brought up the Fremont bridge specifically. You are saying this pair was hacked and even hacked knowing that they would be in a higher risk environment with the understanding that they would not have the protection which Fish and Wildlife was offering to other nesting pairs? I think that this is make believe on your part. They just showed up one day with no human intervention of any sort. That's how I remember it and the story still goes. http://audubonportland.org/issues/endangered-species/peregrine-falcon/portland-peregrines/fremont and http://www.peregrineaa.com/peregrine_falcons.asp Back then they were much much rarer. So precious that they showed up in the city. So you're saying what there? That I'm wrong? Furthermore, do you think climbers, some of whom were responsible for fetching eggs and being directly responsible for the regeneration of this species when big industry trashed it, would have agreed to hack boxes and closures forever on their very climbing routes had they known that those spots would be later closed during the prime climbing season forever due to their actions? I've talked directly to some of these very guys who rapped down and recovered those oh so rare, valuable and precious eggs and I can answer that for you. Or that they'd have agreed to a closure in violation and in opposition to what they had actually saw with their own eyes and believed about climber/Peregrine interactions capability? Their routes closed even after the birds had well recovered to the point of being taken off the Endangered species list and appeared to be more common than Red Tail Hawks in those areas? You think they would have believed they would have done this had they known they would have been exclusively shit on for eternity for doing this kind deed? OK, they would have done it anyway because it was the right thing to do then when the species was an eyeblink of disappearing off the face of the earth, but the government isn't doing the right thing now for them or the birds by shitting exclusively on climbers and allowing the bridge to stay open all those many many years when the bird were oh so rare and precious. Long term there will be resentment and anger that will pressure change not in the way these agency folks would want. That the numbers in opposition to them are not huge makes it seem more manageable for now. Yet build against them and change it will. You should reevaluate what you "think" the facts are JH. They didn't close the Fremont bridge in violation of their own policy's and laws because of political pressure. Furthermore, the belief that fish and wildlife has about space Peregrines need is continually not agreed to by those who are actually having the interactions, that F&W doesn't study it further is certainly on more reason for the angst you mention that you dislike so much. Political pressure. Period. That's why. By no ones account were Climbers responsible in any way for the near extinction of that species. The reverse is true. It was climbers who rapped in and brought back those so very rare and precious eggs. And the bottom line is that many climbers to this day, who are still getting shit on, needlessly according to most except for yourself perhaps, carry anger and resentment over it. THIS IS WHAT YOU DON'T APPEAR TO UNDERSTAND. Kevin happens to be one of the rare ones haranguing online on a single note. What I say goes for many many more. For myself, I'm happy for the birds recovery. I strongly dislike the blatant agency hypocrisy I pointed out up there, but I can understand it. This kind of a compromise which the agency makes, or the trail example which Kevin brings up, is very smart to achieve what is really important in the long term. Still, being singled out and shit on is still the reality and much harder for some. I do have the joy of having the birds being recovered. That is the bottom line of importance. Yet we are left with this: Climbers think the closure is unfair BECAUSE IT IS. This is a bigger issue for some climbers and less for others....to non-existent even for some, yet like a rat turd in the sugar bowl, it remains. For climbing, I can go elsewhere. But then, so could the cars on the Fremont bridge. Cheers!

Dumb as bricks these guys. 3 things; 1st) Have a nice night. 2nd) You might need to spend a lot more time explaining what the difference is between an essential service and a non-essential service to have a cogent debate and informed conversation here. Try talking slower. M...U...C...H... M...U...C...H S...L...O...W...E...R. 3rd) Remember that these guys only typically read the first 3 words of any of your posts. So if you need to include an insult in your post, LIKE THEY ALMOST ALWAYS DO, start your post out with a the insult so they catch it. I think challenging debate must mentally disturb them. They continually resort to the idiotic tactic of attacking any opposition in the mistaken belief that if they can yell loud enough and spew enough invective so that you walk away: then they think that they must have been correct all along and you were misguided. Do this and you'll have it covered. Like talking to a wall covered. Good luck!

Another incomplete post Prole: you're welcome.

Looks like someone went to a trundling convention and overlooked seeing the "no parking" sign.