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...and just left them?

I think that spray as a thread is generally overdone. Works great for political debates though.

Well, most sport climbers are nerdy skinny and sick strong and can pull those skinny bodies up with 1 arms. So if that's what they are doing for conditioning, count me in. However, I was only able to choke down watching it until @ 1:10 when the octave went up, and I threw up a little in my throat and had to turn it off. Here's a much better one: Link to Climbing Video Thanks for sharing, the one I linked is much better.

Huh? I can still watch it here: LINK Climbing Video

Make sure that your sports drink is the correct one. Turns out, in this scientific test, Gatoraid will cause a rope to break. [video:myspace]http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.channel&ChannelID=449107031 's OK, the guy walks it off.

Wow! Nice to see 3 of the more intellectually honest powerhouses seriously raising the bar on discourse (STP, Joseph and Jayb). I'll read it all, but feel that weighing in right now would be akin to stepping into the ring with 3- 26 year old dudes for a Ultimate fighting championship match with all 3 champions at once: heavyweight division of course. Great to watch, but why step in and get all ripped up! My mama didn't raise no fools... ps, very deep and thoughtful points raised on that link STP. Thanks!

HI John! Glad to see you up and about. I didn't have your number, but should you need anything, ride, magazine etc etc, please don't hesitate to ask. Hopefully you're all healed or heading that way, and will be out and about soon. If you get totally bored, I'm getting out to the gun range some these days, in fact, just came back and finished cleaning my pistols moments ago and will smell like gun oil all night I suspect, so if you need something to do while you heal, speak up as guests are fine out there. I'm stocked up in case the Zombies do attack, but it's nice to be able to put a hole where you want. Kyles already been coming out and schooling me on how to shoot. Let me know if you need anything at all and I'll be there for you.

Arkansas proudly presents the Clinton quarter in honor of the former President and Arkansas Governor. _____________________________________________________ And now for some climbing pics. Jim Opdycke on the new route called the Drop Zone which we are cleaning at the Far Side area. We expect the bolts for the rap anchor to be just to the left of Jim's Helmet. Random newt Jim Opdycke standing on 2 feet of dirt and blackberry bushes about to get displaced at the Drop Zone Ledge at the Far Side area. Feb 21st 2009 Ciao baby

I'm convinced that the Government only understands the first part of that equation. They spend it. They generally are unconcerned with "Making" it unless it gets printed on a machine. The reality is this is uncharted territory. I don't think anyone really knows WTF or where to go or how to go about it. Certainly the last crew steered straight for the reef in the shoals trying to scoop out the last fish -then they stepped away from the tiller and said: "Here, sucks to be you, but good luck we're out of here". Read this - http://www.forbes.com and if it doesn't send chills down your spine, consider this little nugget which got overlooked in that article. The treasury doesn't expect to be able to sell all that issuance, so they will be one of the larger buyers of the T-Bills. Hmmmm, think about that.... then run to convert your dollars into Yuan.

Rob, for the last 8 years stronger legal minds that us have looked at these issues and declared them to NOT be torture. Take it up with them. For myself, Rob, I like the idea of not using any of that shit, but yet having that available, in ultra-rare emergency's only like the Obama admin appears to be wisely trying to head LIKE I ALREADY SAID. This is the story I was referring to Trash. Whether they could have gotten and leveraged the info out of the hard drive to obtain more info that could have stopped the plane hijackings is open for a long debate. I was only using it for an example, certainly the law enforcement types are claiming they HAVE stopped actual terrorist attracts and good intel from lots of sources is one reason. Some say yes, they could have stopped the hijackings. I can't say. Certainly law enforcement was calling Zacarias Moussaoui "the 20th hijacker" back then, and had your buddy Jack Bauer been involved, I'm sure he would have kicked ass. Link to 9/11 Hijacker story The full story, which I believe to be acurate, is this: "Reno Reprimand Prompted FBI's Caution on Moussaoui Posted on Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:22:30 AM by kattracks Misleading FBI affidavits submitted during the Clinton administration to a secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court resulted in the court's sharp reprimand of Attorney General Janet Reno, in an episode that likely contributed to the FBI's later reluctance to approve a search warrant application for the laptop computer of "20th hijacker" Zacarias Moussaoui. In the fall of 2000, the seven judges on the surveillance court ordered Reno to appear in their secure courtroom, the New York Times reported Monday. "The judges, in a letter signed by Chief Judge Royce C. Lamberth, had complained to her of a serious breach. Misleading affidavits had been submitted to the court, which approves warrants to eavesdrop on people suspected of being foreign agents or international terrorists." Attorney General Reno acknowledged to the judges that the problem was "serious," the Times said. The problem affidavits had been prepared by Michael Resnick, who is described by the paper as the F.B.I. supervisor in charge of coordinating the surveillance operations related to Hamas. Resnick's track record with affidavits in terrorism cases was so bad that the court told Reno it would no longer accept applications for search warrants and other surveillance requests that he prepared. The court's reprimand in the Hamas cases prompted then-FBI Director Louie Freeh to review surveillance applications for various al Qaeda suspects, where he uncovered similar problems. As a result of the affidavit problem, Reno turned Resnick's case over to the Justice Department's Office of Professional Responsibility, short-circuiting his career at the FBI, where he had previously been described as a "rising star." The episode prompted the bureau to adopt a "play-it-safe" approach when it came to seeking information on terrorists like Moussaoui, according to intelligence sources interviewed by the Times. In a 13 page letter delivered last Tuesday to FBI Director Mueller and the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, Minneapolis agent Coleen Rowley complained that a midlevel manager at FBI headquarters in Washington blocked her office's attempts to secure the Moussaoui search warrant. "She said that the headquarters supervisory agent had perceived that pressing the application for the warrant was an unnecessary career risk," the Times reported, drawing a parallel with the Resnick case. While Rowley has not specifically named the person who she says blocked the Moussaoui warrant, Senators Pat Leahy, D-Vt., Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, and Arlen Specter, R-Pa., have identified David Frasca as in bureau official responsible. "

Damn Joe, you have about 3 of the top current Cascade chossmasters posting in awe on this very thread and you still want to head up there? My hats off to you buddy. The funny part is that when you put your pic up there my eyes went right to that line you later drew in. I whipped out (hey hey -quit that) my Dods book, and it's not in there. So next, I pulled out (stop that!) I got out my Jeff Thomas book and he avoids that just like most sane people would. Next step is to ask Jeff directly. He's just gotten back into climbing after @ 25 year hiatus and as he knows everything about everything and is currently doing the Mazama's Museum: he's probably one of the go-to guys to ask on this. I bet Bob Jensen or Steve Strauch or someone like that did this route in the 70's, but still, it looks like a worthy line to at least recon at the base and look up with binocs. I have some 1/2-13 x 7" Stainless Wedge Anchors in my basement right now, and can get the longer ones much cheaper than the $12 in Josephs link. I don't think you can bag it in a single pitch, and the line doesn't appear to be continuous. In my experience, every time I see something in the gorge that looks relatively easy, it never is....just go do the "Easy" 5.4 on Pillar of Hercules just down the way from your picture first if you need or want a quick and easy demo of that principle. I own every piece of gear known to man and suspect that what appears to be a standard crack is in fact most likely an offwidth. I'll head up there with you and anyone else to check it out (or at least stare up longingly form the base:-) . Not this weekend as Sat I'm climbing, and not Sunday as it's suppose to snow Sat night and I need to get some Skiing in so as not to feel wuss-like.

When one has a birthday cake like this, it's too late for naked pictures. Revel in your youth while ya have it I guess!

...And the correct answer Alex is "crank".

It seems to me to be the right tack which the Obama admin is taking...ie, lets not do this, while leaving some wiggle room for an emergency. I wouldn't want another incident where Shiek Mohammeds computer gets picked up, and instead of saying that the US gov't needs a court order to review the files (like the Janet Reno blame game in this very instance), the password gets immediately forced out of the dickhead foreign combatant and the plans for 9/11 are layed bare and over 3,000 innocent lives get spared. There's lots of potential for those kinds of incidents and scenarios in the future: so why be dumb and totally ban something which should not be routinely utilized (like it has been), but which should be kept as a very rare backup in extra-ordinary and ulta-extreme highly-critical emergency situations? Say something like this scenario: you know a nuclear weapon has been smuggled into the city which you are living in, and you have captured one of the asswipes responsible and dude isn't talkin'? Are you going to keep saying "please tell us" and just let 2 million innocents die or do you man up and spin the crank ?

If they mis-drilled the hole to an incorrect size then they most likely wouldn't or couldn't tighten. So they got left as is and used, but probably not fallen on, and when the visiting climbers went home to Slovenia (if it was them).....forgotten, instead of fixed.

Nothing that an offwidth picture or 2 won't make folks turn away in disgust at Kev: In warmer times and dryer clims'...

That's some good lookin' stuff there Mark. Real classic lines. Need more pictures!

But yet you have 2 posts on the thread:-) David, to clarify your post, would you say....was it the near side or the far side of Ozone? ....and I wasn't even going to post....now, do you want to see some pictures? (kidding, kidding) Sending happy and heal up fast thoughts here as well.... Side note: it always shocks me that it can easily take 2 or 3 hours to pull a person out of what would otherwise be an easy 10 min walk, and it's a good reminder for us all to show up prepared....I'm only talking about ME here, and maybe directing this to Ivan as well, but it's about ME. It's a reminder to me to consider this in light of my own near deadly stupidity solo experience at Jimmys last spring. I've taken to stuffing a headlamp into my "trad" chalkbag and not going chalkless like I use to always do, right in that zipper there and having an extra coat nearby as well for that next frozen solo evening stuck on a wall in the middle of no-fu*king where while stupidly soloing day.... But that's me, your results may vary.

This issue will present a quandary for the current administration: ie, if waterboarding is torture than do you prosecute the war criminals or not? Does the rule of law trump all? Do you prosecute Bush, Cheney and if so, how far down the line to you go? Do you round up the Staff Sergeant who was pouring water on a prisoner? This story from Wired outlines those choices with some examples quite capably: Link

This is a great link JB, thank you. Please don't take this as criticism or another ad-hominum attack because I don't mean it to be, but in reading this one (which I'm not kidding, I think is very very good) it struck me that what you often link to support one of your rants is another rant form another person that is also equally unsupported. In this case, I had an old buddy who had lived with me back in the day who had been an officer in Vietnam in Army Intelligence. They were commonly doing psych-ops and very similar "Non-torture" things to captured Viet Cong (or anyone that got picked up in the dragnet) back then so I know for a fact that your linked story is spot on the truth.

Tomorrow! (bump) This is a good thing Kellie, thank you.

Can we assume at this late date that NO ONE has noticed this except for YOU? hmmmm, even I didn't notice that, in fact did I not just reply to this thread?

B4 -with @ 2 quarts of silicon in EACH breast! After "One woman stopped at nothing to achieve her twin dreams: a 38KKK bust, and a world record......We were already fairly impressed last April, when we heard (via ABC) that one Sheyla Hershey traveled to Houston for a boob job. And not just any boob job: An enhancement bound for the record books. Because after eight surgeries and a full gallon of silicone, the petite model/actress was a staggering 34 FFF. Still, Hershey wanted more! And she was determined to get it. When her boyfriend begged her to stop, she broke up with him (note to men: You have to support our dreams, no matter how deluded and life-threatening silly they might seem!). But Hershey was forced to settle with her FFF mosquito bites because "the state of Texas has limits on the amount of silicone that can be injected into breast implants," noted ABC. Reading this, we found ourselves impressed by Texas, because we didn't think it was the kind of state to impose limits on such things, what with the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders and the state priding itself on everything being bigger there and whatnot. But, as Hershey discovered through diligent research, they have no such restraint in Brazil! And so now, after a ninth surgery, she's the proud owner of both a 38KKK bust (according to Britain's Daily Star) and the world record for largest breasts. We wonder if Guinness has a category for worst back pain." full link: story Pretty grim the amount of silicon in there, but maybe folks can stop talkin about bolts for more than 15 seconds now:-) ps, her husbands name is "Derek". As in Derek Hershey, same name as the chap who peeled off the Steck-Salethe in 198_? and died free soloing.

Hello! uhhh.... feather? Zinnnnnng! Now who's batting average just went up? Ha! Tar AND Feather! ya get a 2 for 1! (PS JB, jus' goin' with teh traditional response for those who are still supporting King George.) Picture of one of Drus ancestors no doubt! ps, I found the Hominum Ad. Here ya go. It's the 5 stages of coming out. Hope it helps. http://www.hominum.ca/coming_out.htm NOT that there's anything wrong with it, some of my friends are gay. OK, maybe I'm just sayin' that...sorry. But you can get more info on Hominum here anyway. Good luck JB climb safe.

We'd probably talk a lot less about bolts if we could see more boob. (not talkin' manboob either:-)