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Was Jayb sayin' ....that ...I don't know, it's so confusing...... what are those numbers again?

I don't know what it all means either JB. Maybe you can figure it out later? I can't imagine where they will get that 3.7 billion! Now what was Jayb sayin' before you started flaming him....hmmmm? Lets re-read the thread shall we?

Here's another "truism", anything worth saying once is worth saying twice. Let me shoot it over for you again. A billion dollar's here.....a billion dollars there, pretty soon it adds up to real money! (apologies to the late Everett Dirkson for stealing one of the best lines in history) Trying to help.

A billion dollar's here.....a billion dollars there, pretty soon it adds up to real money! (apologies to the late Everett Dirkson for stealing one of the best lines in history) I am not sure how your comment relates to the article, especially since it leaves little doubt that no significant additional money per capita was spent on social programs despite deteriorating employment. You are not sure how it relates to the article? Here: allow me to repeat it for you. A billion dollar's here.....a billion dollars there, pretty soon it adds up to real money! (apologies to the late Everett Dirkson for stealing one of the best lines in history)

I remember doing wyeast once and thinking:"this is marginal, we should go down" and expecting to ride the avy down all the way up the upper part where it gets steep. But I was young and had to climb and didn't want to let my partner down etc etc. however, I kept thinking "This is dumb, this is stupid, I know better, but it was so sweet to be climbing and as we were finally on the steep part I WANTED TO CLIMB...damit! We finally get down, and ran into a buddy of mine who was in the lodge with his climber father. His dad was one of the more experienced climbers of Mts in the Pac NW. They asked what we had done and I told them then asked: "..and you?.." Friend glances at his dad and says " Oh, we were heading to Leutholds but thought it was too dangerous so we bagged it".....(long embarrassing silence ensued while I reconsidered my stupidity...). The fact that we got lucky didn't change the facts. They were right to bag it, and so were you. The climbing looks good from your pictures though, too bad about the ice, Mike seems like a pretty good partner too. Glad you made it down, you see the accident thread Mt rescue fella got beaned by ice and took the slide. Looks OK now.

A billion dollar's here.....a billion dollars there, pretty soon it adds up to real money! (apologies to the late Everett Dirkson for stealing one of the best lines in history)

Per the article- At a 79% approval rating, he's way ahead of the next closet pres of the last 5: Clinton at 70% and the other 3 in the 60's. Frankly, Obama was the better candidate. Today's story (same rag, NY Times) is that Obama has been seeking McCain's advise: I doubt that the reverse would have occurred had their positions been reversed. Nobody's pissin' on the parade except time and then only time will truly tell. In fact, if Barak is looking for agreement on the best course of action for our country from a prime adversary in advance so as to avoid needless conflict and also advance the best common agenda for all of us: that makes me giddy as well. However, time will tell.... Link

I found that if it's under a cast you are talkin' about, coat hangers are your friend.

From KGW, well written story - full link here: Link Bend woman with multiple sclerosis will attempt Everest 05:00 AM PST on Saturday, January 17, 2009 By MARK MORICAL, The (Bend) Bulletin BEND, Ore. (AP) -- Wendy Booker's left side is numb from her toes to the top of her rib cage. Yet somehow, she has managed to climb the tallest peaks on six continents. For Booker to complete the climbing feat known as the Seven Summits, just one peak remains: Mount Everest, the highest mountain on Earth. Living with multiple sclerosis, Booker says, is much like climbing a mountain. "I wanted to show what life with MS is like," she says. "It's a struggle. You can't always get to the top." Booker, 54, will strive to become the first person with multiple sclerosis to climb the highest mountain on each of the world's seven continents when she attempts Everest this spring. At 29,035 feet, Mount Everest towers above the Himalayas on the border of the south Asian countries of Nepal and Tibet. The western summit of Mount Everest A single mother of three who splits her time between Boston and Boulder, Colo., Booker will have plenty of help from Central Oregon climbers. Booker, who has received international media attention on her quest, plans to climb Everest with Brooke Barnes of Mountain Link guide service in Bend. The two have trained at Mount Bachelor, practicing ladder crossings while wearing crampons, in preparation for the dangerous Khumbu Icefall on Everest. Barnes and Booker have reached together the top of three of the Seven Summits: Mount Vinson Massif in Antarctica, Aconcagua in Argentina, and Mount Kosciuszko in Australia. Booker says she will not climb without Barnes. "We definitely have bonded in a way that only the mountain can do," says Barnes, 40. "She's a really gung-ho woman." Robert Link, the owner of Mountain Link, who reached the Everest summit in 1990, will communicate with Booker and Barnes from Everest Base Camp. Booker climbed Russia's Mount Elbrus with Link in 2006. "(MS) takes good athletes and destroys them," Link says. "What she's done is just incredible." After experiencing leg numbness, Booker was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 1998. "You think of the worst case, and you immediately picture someone you know who's in a wheelchair," she says. "It was from the anger that I said, 'Before I get in that wheelchair, I'm gonna run the Boston Marathon.' I knew there was more I had to do." An autoimmune disease, multiple sclerosis is an inflammation and degradation of the nervous system. More than 400,000 Americans have the disease, according to the Multiple Sclerosis Association of America. Currently, there is no cure for the disease, but it is not fatal. Symptoms include an increasing loss of coordination, muscle weakness and numbness. Booker says her multiple sclerosis is in remission, but she concedes that the disease is "unpredictable." Booker notes that before 1993 there were no drugs for the disease. But she has taken a daily injection of a drug called Copaxone for the last 11 years to manage the disease. She says she has no visible signs of the illness, just the numbness on her left side, which she describes as a fuzzy, tingling feeling. Booker, who had started running regularly shortly before she was diagnosed, first ran the Boston Marathon in 2000, finishing in 4 hours, 42 minutes. "At the time, people with MS were not running marathons," Booker says. "Now, many people (with MS) are running marathons and triathlons." Since Boston in 2000, she has completed eight more marathons. Booker was introduced to mountain climbing when she was asked to be part of the first team of climbers with multiple sclerosis to attempt to summit Denali (Mount McKinley) in Alaska. The group went unguided and did not reach the summit. Frustrated, Booker vowed to train harder and to use a guide the next time. She spent time training in the White Mountains of New Hampshire, and in the Cascade Mountains. Booker reached the summit of Denali in 2004. "I thought, 'What can I do now?"' she recalls. "And that's when the Seven Summits started to come in." Over the next 4 1/2 years, she climbed 19,340-foot Kilimanjaro in Africa, followed by Elbrus, Aconcagua, Vinson Massif and Koscuiszko. All that remains is the highest and most notorious mountain in the world. Everest is an endless source of controversy for its overcrowding and peril. More than 200 climbers have died on the mountain. Booker notes that fewer than 25 percent of Everest climbers reach the summit on their first attempt, and she does not plan to force the issue. "I really feel I know when to say 'When,' and Mountain Link respects that," she says. "We listen to one another. You have to have that trust." Because of the multiple sclerosis, Booker has difficulties with balance and dealing with cold weather. "She'll deteriorate faster if she gets to a certain point," Barnes says. "Sometimes, it just doesn't allow her to do it. When she gets tired, she'll drag the left side of her body. That's when we've gone too far." Before her diagnosis, Booker, who is divorced, worked as an interior decorator. Now, she makes a living traveling the country as a motivational speaker. Sponsors pay much of the expenses for her mountain climbing. Atop the highest peaks on the planet, she is far from the world of interior design. "I was very country club, very sorority girl," Booker says. "And now I'm climbing the highest mountains in the world. "If I can do this, anybody can do it."

Ignore my Emily Latilla style post up there. I had read on several occasions in several places that the approved voter mandated initiatives put a serious crimp in the discretionary spending available to the lawmakers and was responsible for the budget woes in Calif. (going back years and getting worse) It appears I was wrong. Rather than deleting my earlier post and appearing smart, here's (somewhat) a refutation of that idea. Link So I say just move to Mexico.....what was the question?

Damn PC! I'd of probably shit my pants after a dude like that almost trundled me and took me out! What were you thinking? I would think that's just a bad time to start learning self-arrest - when you're on your back like a turtle shooting off a mountain! This fella looks like he got whacked by some icefall and then fell as a result of that. -story- "A 45-year-old Portland man injured by falling ice and a long fall was plucked off Mount Hood Saturday afternoon. Michael R. Leming was recovering at Oregon Health and Science University Hospital after being airlifted at about 3:48 p.m. off the 10,000-foot level of the mountain by a U.S. Army National Guard 1042 rescue Blackhawk helicopter. Leming was in stable condition with injuries to his ankles and shoulder. Clackamas County sheriff’s search and rescue team reported that at about 10:21 a.m. Leming apparently was hit by “a shower of falling ice” in the Pearly Gates area, and he fell about 200 feet. Leming, a member of the Portland Mountain Rescue, was ascending the mountain with two other experienced climbers at the time of the accident. All members of this climbing party are well equipped and experienced climbers. One of his climbing companions used a cell phone to call emergency dispatchers, who rallied rescuers. With extra good fortune, other Portland Mountain Rescue members were also on the mountain today participating in a training exercise. They were summoned to the site and contributed to the rescue. "

Lars...please! 8 years of repubs! Sure it's the Nancy pantspelosi state, but Arnold is straight up Repub and has been in office for quite some time, and claims to be a social liberal but a fiscal conservative no less. Obama isn't even the Pres so why drag his name in here. George Bush has been the pres for 8 years and is exiting stage right, just in time. One of the things that has bitten them in the ass is all the stuff people think sounds so good ("ooh, I support the poor better vote yes, ohhhh, I support the handicap better vote yes, Ohhhh I support the environment better vote yes on this too"} and vote yes on in the primary. I eliminates the discretionary amount left in the general fund as that crap MUST be funded, but there is no such mandate for schools etc etc. Californians, for the most part, have done this to themselves. If we can but remember but a single thing about these elections it would be this: "JUST SAY NO!"

"This video has recently (early 2008 now) spread through the Internet like wild fire. I cannot go to a forum on the Internet without someone mentioning how this is the "truth" and it has "opened [their] eyes". Nearly always, they also claim that they know these things are true because of their "own research". The interesting part of all this is, you rarely see any engineers, scientists, or anyone else making such claims. I decided to sit down and watch the film, I honestly began watching it thinking it may have some interesting information. When it was all over, I realized that many things were completely wrong, misquoted, or had already been disproven by many other people long ago. The problem was that when I tried to Google more information about it, nobody had made a complete guide discussing all the inaccuracies of the film. So, here I am. If you don't want to read the whole site, you can read my conclusion page for a general overview -- be sure to read the actual analyses for sourced information. The movie rarely cites sources, and when it does, it fails to provide page numbers, dates, and other information. Sourced information listed on their web site is primarily from books which are sometimes hard to obtain -- trust me, I tried -- making fact checking near impossible. So, in my work, I am going to source all my claims and exactly where I find them. If it is in a book, I will do my best to find an online version of the book, and if I cannot, I will link to where the book can be purchased. For the most part, however, I wanted to use web sites and online information so it is easier for everyone to read -- I have received several complaints about this, somehow a book is more authoritive than a web site, I'm not sure where that logic comes from considering the crazy books that are in circulation these days." link full site

too much work....too long. Don't do dares either, not since grade school anyway. "Zeitgeist, the Movie From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search This article is about the 2007 documentary. For the 2006 film about the history of the war on terrorism, see American Zeitgeist. Zeitgeist, the Movie Produced by Peter Joseph[1] Written by Peter Joseph Distributed by GMP LLC[2] Release date(s) 2007 Running time 122 min Language English Followed by Zeitgeist: Addendum Official website • IMDb Zeitgeist, the Movie is a 2007 documentary film exposé on contemporary religion, government, and global economics. Focal points of the film are the Jesus myth hypothesis, the attacks of 9/11, and the US Federal Reserve Bank. The film was produced by Peter Joseph, who released it for free online via Google Video, in June 2007.[3] A remastered version was presented as a global premiere on 10 November 2007 at the 4th Annual Artivist Film Festival, where it won the award for "Best Feature - Artivist Spirit".[4] The film has attracted significant public interest.[5] In 2008 Joseph released a sequel to the film: Zeitgeist: Addendum. Contents [hide] * 1 Release * 2 Synopsis o 2.1 Part I o 2.2 Part II o 2.3 Part III * 3 Sequel * 4 Criticism * 5 See also * 6 References * 7 External links [edit] Release Zeitgeist was first released on June 26, 2007 and topped the Google video chart's most viewed videos.[6] The film was translated into several languages and is distributed officially via Google Video and BitTorrent. Zeitgeist won the top award of Best Feature Documentary/Artivist Spirit at the 4th Annual Artivist Awards in 2007 in Hollywood, CA.[7] A sequel has since been released. Zeitgeist: Addendum premiered at the 5th Annual Artivist Film Festival on October 2, 2008, at the Egyptian Theater in Hollywood, California. Like the original film, Zeitgeist: Addendum was released online, free of charge, on October 3, 2008.[8] The film starts with a speech by Chögyam Trungpa about spirituality, followed by a series of musically synchronized clips of war and explosions culminating with one of the towers of World Trade Center collapsing during 9/11. Then there follows a sequence of clips showing the horrors of war. There is a short clip that shows a hand writing "1 + 1 = 2", but is brushed away by another hand before the first finishes, and is replaced by a bible and an American flag. After a few more war clips, the film then quotes Jordan Maxwell's Inner World of the Occult, criticizing religious institutions, governments, and the banking cartels who "have misled [the people] away from the true and divine presence in the universe." This portion ends with more images accompanied by audio of a portion of a George Carlin monologue on religion. [edit] Part I Horus left and Jesus right, both cited by the film as being "solar messiahs" Part I, entitled "The Greatest Story Ever Told" questions religions as original god-given stories, arguing the Christian religion specifically is mainly derived from other religions, astronomical facts, astrological myths and traditions; in turn derived from or sharing elements with other ones. In furtherance of the Jesus myth hypothesis, this part argues that the historical Jesus is a literary and astrological hybrid,[5] nurtured politically in the interest of control. Horus, the Egyptian Sun God, is introduced as having a number of attributes similar to many other religious deities which came after him, including but not limited to Attis, Krishna, Dionysus, Mithra and Jesus Christ; these attributes including virgin birth on December 25th, 12 disciples, burial for 3 days, resurrection, and performing of miracles.[9] The film offers explanations for some of these common attributes. To explain the origin of the December 25 birth, the film points out that the Winter solstice has the shortest day, and therefore, the shortest amount of sunlight, of the year, and that about three days after it, sunlight time could be seen growing, thus marking the birth of a "God of light" or Sun God. Another Christian-astrological similarity, according to the film, is that the three stars in Orion's belt (called the "Three Kings") align with Sirius on December 25, the brightest star in the sky, and point to the Sun's rise on the horizon. This is equated to the Nativity of Jesus, where, according to the film, three "kings" follow the star in the east to locate the birth of Jesus. Furthermore, around December 25, Sun rises in the vicinity of Virgo, the constellation known as Virgin, which refers to the origin of Jesus' virgin birth. Comparation of sunset in the vicinity of Crux and Jesus' death on the cross is based on similar principle. In addition, parallels as walking on water (reflection at dawn/dusk) and turning water into wine (ripening of grapes) are shown as metaphoric miracles, explained as the influence of the Sun. Christianity is then said to be a Gnostic myth, historized by the Roman Empire for social control of Europe through doctrines established at the First Council of Nicea. The Dark Ages, the Inquisitions and the Crusades are given as events which maintained Europe's submission to The Vatican through Christianity. The following quote is said in conclusion: “ Christianity, along with all other theistic belief systems [...] empowers those who know the truth, but use the myth to manipulate and control societies. [...] It reduces human responsibility to the effect that "God" controls everything, and in turn awful crimes can be justified in the name of Divine Pursuit. [...] The religious myth is the most powerful device ever created, and serves as the psychological soil upon which other myths can flourish. ” [edit] Part II The 9/11 attacks are claimed in the film to have been a staged event intended as a pretext for imperial mobilization. Part II, entitled "All the World's a Stage," claims that the events of September 11th were either orchestrated or allowed to happen by criminal elements within the United States government in order to generate mass fear, initiate and justify the War on Terror, provide a pretext for the curtailment of civil liberties, and produce economic gain. It argues that: * The United States government was warned about the impending September 11, 2001 attacks, * The planes were deliberately not intercepted but rather allowed to reach their targets, and that * The World Trade Center buildings underwent a controlled demolition. The film also claims that six of the named hijackers are still alive, that Hani Hanjour could not have flown Flight 77 into the Pentagon, that no substantial plane wreckage was found at two of the three crash sites, that the Bush administration covered up the truth in the 9/11 Commission Report, and that the mainstream media have failed to ask important questions about the official account. [edit] Part III The United States Government's income tax is claimed to be unconstitutional and that there are no laws which state that citizens must pay income tax Part III, entitled "Don't Mind the Men Behind the Curtain",[10] argues that the three main wars of the United States during the 20th century were waged purely for economic gain for an elite few. Events that the film alleges to be fraudulent or staged are the sinking of the RMS Lusitania, the Attack on Pearl Harbor, and the Gulf of Tonkin Incident; all occurrences which carried the U.S into the First World War, Second World War and Vietnam War respectively. According to the film, the U.S. was forced by the Federal Reserve Bank to become embroiled in these wars not to win but to sustain conflict, as it forces its government to borrow more money from the bank, with interest attached, thereby increasing the nation's debt and the profits of those who own The Fed. The film gives a history of the Reserve, claiming it engineered the Great Depression to steal wealth from the American population and was responsible for the attempts to assassinate Louis McFadden, a congressman who attempted to impeach the Reserve. This section also explores the possibility that there is a clandestine movement, promoted by the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, to usurp the American constitution and US dollar, by merging the United States, Canada and Mexico into a North American Union that uses a single currency, the Amero, without the ratification of Congress. This currency union would create a super-state similar to the European Union, which together with the African Union and the proposed Asian Union would gradually be merged into a One World government. The movie concludes that under such a government, every human could be implanted with an RFID microchip that would be used to monitor individuals and suppress dissent. The movie ends, however, on an optimistic note, expressing confidence in the possibility of overthrowing oppressive forces and the ultimate triumph of revolution through enlightenment. The sequel, Zeitgeist: Addendum, premiered at the 5th Annual Artivist Film Festival in Los Angeles, California on October 2, 2008. It addresses "the true source of the instability in our society, while offering the only fundamental, long term solution."[11] Criticism Zeitgeist has been ignored by the media, with a few exceptions. References to it in the media are dismissive: An article in the Irish Times [5] said that "These are surreal perversions of genuine issues and debates, and they tarnish all criticism of faith, the Bush administration and globalisation - there are more than enough factual injustices in this world to be going around without having to invent fictional ones. One really wishes Zeitgeist was a masterful pastiche of 21st-century paranoia, a hilarious mockumentary to rival Spinal Tap. But it's just deluded, disingenuous and manipulative nonsense. [...] If you pretend to know only truth, in truth you know only pretence." An article in the weekly Seattle paper The Stranger [12], later reprinted in the Utne Reader magazine, [13] said: "It's fiction, couched in a few facts [...] and it adds up to the worst kind of fear-mongering." It also commented on the irony in the film's three-part structure by noting that "It's fascinating, this structure. First the film destroys the idea of God, and then, through the lens of 9/11, it introduces a sort of new Bizarro God. Instead of an omnipotent, omniscient being who loves you and has inspired a variety of organized religions, there is an omnipotent, omniscient organization of ruthless beings who hate you and want to take your rights away, if not throw you in a work camp forever." The Globe and Mail [14] has also published a critical article about the movie, titled "Rejecting Conspiracy Thinking Keeps it Alive and Well," in which it is said that "[...] this stuff [...] it's all been thoroughly debunked for years. Evidently, debunking isn't the issue. [...] Nor can you cite the findings of the professional, journalistic, and academic consensus to someone who's decided that having credibility means being under the sway of shadowy forces. [...] for all the talk of skepticism, conspiracy counterculture is really an anti-intellectual, populist movement - much like Intelligent Design. For all their absurdity, conspiracy theorists try to drag everything back to the level of common sense. [...] Did the collapsing buildings on 9/11 look like they were being demolished? Then they must have been demolished. Did the 757 that hit the Pentagon's blast-proof walls fail to make a plane-shaped hole? Then it must have been something else. Are there unexplained quirks in the official story? Then it must be the work of a higher power. [...] Conspiracy theorists want to see [...] a malevolent design behind events. The notion that calamity might be the unintended consequence of subtler causes doesn't hold the same appeal. Evil, whatever its other uses, drives a great narrative. Complexity, not so much." The Village Voice [15] mentioned Zeitgeist in passing in a review of the 2008 fiction film Able Danger in which the film critic sees an "invocation of September 11 for the vaguely satirical purpose of tweaking conspiracy crap like that found in Zeitgeist: The Movie (an Internet film that, like Krik's recent "Be Kanye" ads, went mega-viral last year)" eom

They say 79% are affected with "Obama Giddyness Syndrome". Highest rating of any of the last 5 presidents. Reminder to all to remember and savor this time when some of you that are prone to continual bitching and moaning are silent if even but for a brief moment in time.... This too will pass, so enjoy it now cause it's but a moment in the sun... http://www.nytimes.com link to full story Here is a link to the BBC's Washington Correspondent reporters' take on the "coronation of King Obama" . Link pfft.. British people....

Anyone ever try or ever hear of any "strange" or esoteric breathing techniques to improve their climbing? I'm sure we've all used Big Lou's classic deep and hard breathing to alleviate mt sickness and improve strength at altitude: but I recently came over Lung Gom or also called lung-gom-pa which has bee used to circle the holy Mt of Kailash in Tibet. Pilgrims practicing that technique, it is said, are able to circumnavigate the Mt in a day instead of the usual 3 (or 5 days for normal westerners who are acclimated). Story Lung Gom Link

I thought the title indicated you were looking for a place to live and wanted advice on one. Does this news mean that you can now send in a IOU instead of paying your taxes? Cause fair is fair!

7/03/08 166 6/27/08 164 6/20/08 167 7/18/08 164 7/25/08 164 8/01/08 163 8/8/08 163 , maybe time to quit eating McDonalds? 12/23/08 158 !! (back from Thailand where I promptly stop doing everything physical and start eating wrong again starting with a Big Mac Meal Supersized just outside of Tacoma 1st meal after the plane landed, and I quickly then feel sick to my stomach but it was sooooo good. Pretty sure I converted muscle weight back to fat weight in record time and got it back up to 163 # in short order. 1/16/09 -163 When I was climbing good, it was @ 25 years ago or so and was right @ 140 ....that was so long ago.

Thanks JH! Watching you or some of those other folks get after it in some of that winter weather is damn inspiring!

That's not a dude up there! Here's some sweat sock material for you dudes who don't have $3.7 million to update and improve this thread.

I was at one of our customers today who is closing soon. Shutting down a plant that has under 200 employees. Then there will be triple that many other business employees affected as grinding, CNC, abrasive suppliers, aluminum sales etc etc companies lose this business. Rumor is Intel Hillsboro may be gone as well with a lot of those jobs going to China. Don't know about that other than the rumor, but the guy who tossed that also nailed the other company closing as well. For those affected by all this, it will be painful no doubt. As the economy shrinks, it will trickle down to many others who have never suspected they will be affected.

I'll be there. I like to workout Tues and Thurs, even if I haven't been:-) Monday is bet but can do Wednesday or Sat evenings as well usually.

Oh, there it is...

toenail...what toenail?

Hi tops rule for off widths. The only solution otherwise is athletic tape or just bleed out afterwards:-) I was in line for a pair of JB's, just drooling to get my hands on them. I think our local buddies at the gear store Climbmax, can special order them. They had the Acopa Aztecs on hand in stock I think it was, so I immediately grabbed a pair. I have to say, for me (this is not something others think is true) they are very slick when it's wet or even slightly damp. More than other rubber for sure. Around here, that's most of the time. Very discouraging to me. Never got the JBs. Your results may vary.