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Even in winter, Hidden Valley Campground is usually full. The trick to finding a site is to park your car, walk around, and chat people up. Find out who is leaving, or who has room for another car & tent at their site and is willing to share. Just driving around the loops won't do you any good, but some people skills will get you a site every time. For a first visit, HVCG is definitely the place you want to be. Oh, and hope for a site with good sun exposure, even with good weather it will be cold in the shade.

Thanks Marc, great TR. Nice to see some late season rock action.

You should also consider the possibility that other poster's reaction is not about your opinion, its about you personally, your tone of voice, your presentation of yourself.

Pope, your opinion is still represented in that thread. Its time for you to stop acting like a child.

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Uh, Rudy? That's Pink's favorite picture of me circa 1977, and I am that old.

Sorry mam, we don't have an "I Saw U" forum. More biographical info might help with an id: male or female? estimated age? significant ascents? recent trips? lives where? physical description? political orientation? sprayer or lurker?

Hey, congratulations Klenke!

Pope, you haven't been "silenced." At least four posts of yours remain in the thread, including "Thanks for nothing Mr. Watts." Your and Raindawg's position is more than ably expressed there, all out of proportion to the actual percentage of climbers your extreme position represents. Not only that, everything you wrote that was cut can be found in the ongoing "Sport vs Trad" thread right here in Spray. You've been redirected, not "silenced." I'm a traffic cop, not the CIA. Full discussion? We can't attempt any such thing without you and Raindawg, insistent quasi-anonymous internet cranks that you are, showing up to rant from your soapbox. Its gotten to the point that everyone knows what's going to happen anytime the subject of sport climbing comes up, much to the detriment of adult conversation and the reputation of this website. You are granted far more consideration than your behavior merits.

Ah yes. The relocation camp strategy made famous in the FDR days. Let Spray be the Manzanaar of the offenders who have not offended in the least. Fuck you Fairweather, go set up your little table with the big picture of Obama with a Hitler mustache. Relocation camp? No offense? Quit being such a damn tool, they may be your friends but you know fuck all about the branch of climbing under discussion, and there have been plenty of folks offended.

Okay, I locked this thread and purged out the generic anti-sportclimbing rehash of all the other Pope & Raindawg events, moving most of it to an ongoing spray thread and deleting other useless bits. If you want to argue pointlessly about the validity of sport climbing, go here. If you want to discuss the interview with Alan Watts, please continue in this thread.

10 years ago? Really? Damn, I feel old.

Awww, I think the puptent has potential to be a good running gag around here, we need a new one now that a new Smith guide is actually being published. Of course, maybe its just that I agree with our Jersey boy on this particular subject...

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Mountain Soles used to be based in Trout Lake, and the guy did awesome work. I think he sold the business to the folks who run it in Portland now. I had a pair done a few years ago and the toe tips delaminated almost immediately. Still, that was awhile ago and they may have gotten better. I think the comments about Dave Page & Ramuta point up the importance of the cobbler actually doing the work. Dave Page has a larger outfit, so you don't know who will be the hands on person. I've heard the same story from the Rubber Room in Bishop with the same result: variable quality, from totally awesome to hideous. The advantage to Ramuta is that he's a one man operation, you know who's going to do the repair. Along that line, the guy in Joshua Tree, he posts voluminously on Supertopo as Locker, is another one man operation that turns out a good consistent resole. I've got two pairs due for another round, they'll be going to Ramuta.

At long last, success: we've now climbed on the quarry in every month of the year. Four pitches and I'm a happy boy... Sasha is pretty happy too

Thanks for the info Alan. You're probably unaware that the "new smith guide" has been a running hoax here for years, as someone or other claims to have the inside scoop on the new guide coming out just to get folks wound up. I appreciate the craftsman approach to producing your guide and I'm looking forward to it. I'll second the call to publish the historical stuff that got cut by Falcon here if you'd like. Lots of folks would love to see it, and we could set up a link in the Rock Climbing Forum so the info doesn't get buried.

Why do you say "gay" when you mean "stupid"?

Happy b-day John, here's to another good year

I could get some afternoon off for sure. I didn't get a good look at the crag today though, a bushy tree has come down across my usual access path, but it sure looked nice out today. Gimme a call on my cell.

I only wish Obama was half as liberal as the deep space rightwingnuts claim he is.

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International Herald Tribune (international edition of the NYT) Harpers Magazine (good writing, lefty bent) High Country News (especially good for western US land use issues) Reason Magazine (for the libertarian end of the spectrum) Skeptical Inquirer (secular humanist journal)

Funny you should ask, I was just walking down the driveway to work, admiring the clear skies and profile of the crag and wondering if this might not be the opportunity to tick the first ever December ascent of a route at the Quarry. I'll go look later today, but I wouldn't be surprised if at least Calvin & Hobbes was dry. Possible rain on the horizon for Friday though...

Hah, same bunch was set up on the sidewalk outside the Tenino Post Office the other day. Even though its not my normal style, I couldn't help but go over and berate them for being historically ignorant lackwits. They wouldn't make eye contact, but I gave them a brief history of Nazi atrocities anyway.