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No, this is just like any other TR forum. Anything goes is in Spray, or Bacon if you'd prefer.

Observation will reveal that there's now a Columbia Gorge forum. That'll help make it irrelevant that ya'll keep posting about a Washington crag in the Oregon forum.

Indian Cove is a thousand feet lower and substantially warmer. There's some decent climbing down there too, so it's not a total loser of an option.

For you Kevin. More or less safe for work. [video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21QNhzIac7g

Jesus fuck, I've never looked at that site before, it looks as funny as The Onion and just as believable.

Oh, I'd agree if you go to the summit. The much easier NE Buttress route I did was solid grade IV and that was with nothing harder than 5.8. I think the III+ probably refers to just the portion Blake & Pete did, then rapped down Dragonfly.

Back on page 12, bea-yotch

So, reading over their website, I assume they support an armed Black Panthers and Earth First, oppose property forfeiture in drug offenses, will actively oppose "free speech zones" where protesters are confined to designated areas, and will actively work to overturn the Patriot Act's warrantless searches?

Its not often that something here makes me laugh out loud. I'd imagine the original grade V takes into account both the distance all the way to the summit (well, NE Towers summit anyway) as well as the aid involved. Interesting that this ascent approached it as a cragging route and rapped after the steep part, I've been idly thinking the NE buttress could use a rap route.

Now that's an interesting idea. There's a lot more complaints out there about the descent than the approach.

That's REI's secret remodel plan for the tower at the flagship store, they're just waiting on the biologist who'll oversee the petrel flock.

The onset of bad weather always sees an uptick in both spray volume and spurious aggression. Maybe you Beatards can give the classic thread a run for its money, or at least go for Pictures of Big Beacats...

This sounds really dirty when I think about you saying that out loud.

Darin, I think Bug was calling Tvash a hell bound heathen, a tag I'll wager he relishes, not you. As for Tvash, he's mistaking you for a sprayer, a mistake he's made with others. I'd suggest you not take it personally. Me, I think there isn't much functional difference between the two (legal rights vs. marriage) but there's a huge emotional load attached to the label. A lot of people attach a religious significance to the term "marriage" and its simply not a rational issue that will yield to discussion. Words and labels sometimes have incredible power, and that's why our referendum passed and Maine's failed. If I were king, I'd abolish all legal standing for "marriage" and put all the rights and responsibilities under "civil union." I think marriage could be just fine as a non-binding religious ceremony, and churches could feel free to discriminate against anyone they want, but you don't get any changes to your legal status until you go through a civil union. I'd kind of like a bumper sticker that says, "If you let fags get married, next thing you know niggers will be able to marry white people" but sound bite sarcasm is a risky business.

Nice story of a cold bivy. Is "Massive Vinny" Vince Anderson? There's a kind of amusing account of a mid August 2008 trip up NE Butt on Slesse on that blog too. They were shocked to discover the road was gated, couldn't find any current condition info, did a heli approach onto the buttress proper (avoiding the pocket glacier), and hypothesized that they were the first up the route that season and that only one other party had been to the summit that year. I'm guessing he's not aware of this site...

I've only done the PA ferry in the summer, but there tended to be a big line, so the plan was always get there many hours before sailing and kill time in the respective towns. This time of year it might not be such an issue. Still, it would be worth getting an opinion from the ferry line. Its a great drive to head west past Sooke (great harbor) out to the end of the west coast road at Port Renfrew. Nice walks down to the beach along the road, should be wild, blustery, and lonely this time of year. The Royal BC Museum in Victoria is worth a visit if you like that sort of thing. You could get a good pinkie workout taking High Tea at the Empress.

However, the authorities have been taking funds for Madrone out of the budget for years now. Hasn't rational discussion yielded little to no progress, or have I misunderstood?

I think you mean "shmeering" is kosher, shmegege.

Stay out climbing until dark every day, then its no big deal. I've only stayed at the group camp though, it's up the hill to the east, furthest site was just fine.