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in PDX who doesn't buy a ticket for the Hold Steady show at the Crystal on May 28th. They're like Springsteen might be if he remembered how to rock and did drugs. The Hold Steady

You guys are so mean. Kevbone doesn't have much of an internal editor - to think it is to type it, and the volume of his output is prodigious, but I'm pretty certain he's neither a bad guy nor a creep.

At my company sick time is considered indistinguishable from vacation time, both are earned benefits that employees are entitled to spend on whatever they want. Totally circumvents the concern that your employee might call in sick and go skiing - it's allowed. In return, my employees are considerate about schedule and company obligations with regards to use of sick/vacation time, and they are encouraged to not spread whatever horrid virus they have around the rest of the crew.

Yamnuska if you're feeling a wee bit stout and bold. Grotto Canyon near Canmore is alright short sportish limestone. The slate slab climbing on the golf course in Banff is worth it just for the ambiance, though many of the bolts were for shit when I was last there over 15 years ago. Lots of other stuff in the area too. You can always just go hike around with your mouth hanging open. Seems like most of the hordes never venture more than a hundred yards from their vehicles.

On the other hand, beer and dog food is sometimes just the ticket.

I thought this one: looked more like, "fuck, would you put both hands on the rope?" Thanks for the pics and the report.

You don't know what information was admissible to the jury. They may well have not known anything about prior convictions or other history, as well as what other information may have been provided about the victims. Having just served on a jury for a domestic violence case, I was surprised at how little evidence was actually provided. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is a very high standard of proof, it sounds like the prosecution just didn't make their case. Four hours of deliberation is not very much either, so odds are the jury was in substantial agreement already when deliberations began.

Mont Blanc du Tacul: It's the obvious line up the middle:

Yeah, you should borrow Tvash's impact driver.

ah yup.

I don't see any easy way around that. Medical records are pretty private, and "mental health history" can be pretty subjective. I just don't see how legislation would have prevented the recent event in Virginia.

Personal experience confirms this statement.

Yeah, c'mon Darin, cough it up! That's not 3 O'clock, and it doesn't look like the Comb either (at least the part I've been to...)

Yeah, beware, those techies will turn you in for all those images you got via PM from D-dog.

yet another take

Yeah, I miss The Bolted Flake too. For the uninitiated, this was a route at the (sandstone) quarry in Tenino which climbed up the left side of a 30' tall flake. With a crux down low and a crux up high, the flake provided the most cruiser terrain on the 11a route, protected by bolts on the main wall left of the flake. You'd really yard on this thing as you went up, and the crack was largely hand size. Up The Creek, the 11c route on the right side of the flake went up a tips size crack and made use of face holds. One time on that route, I found that the crack had moved a little, making some fresh fractures on the edge of the big flake, and this led us to abandon plans to bolt the route for the lead and eye the entire flake from a more jaundiced perspective. On the regular Wednesday night gig out here I'd perpetually warn people belaying at the bottom of The Bolted Flake to not stand underneath it. Well, one night the winter before last it fell down of it's own accord, impacting right at the spot I'd tell people not to stand on. The pieces lie in the woods below, it's a pity I can't move them without making a mess of the surrounding terrain. Granite is a different story though, is the flake attached at the base? One side? Is it just perched on a ledge? If you're going to try the trundle, forget little crowbars, bring a 6' long steel digging bar, that's what we used to trundle a loose block the size of mini cooper.

shivering

Joseph, my point was that it's not Leland Windham (who is not "merely" a sport climber btw) who is advocating for Via Ferrata. I can understand having issues with some of his routes, but I don't see him as point man for those type of installations, and IB is not some kind of gateway drug. I do think you're wrong about the direction that Via Ferrata development comes from. It may come from gym owners, business folks in search of new revenue streams in a competitive market, but not gym climbers. I can easily see the direct connection between gyms and obsessively safe sport climbs, but Via Ferrata is a very different thing. Gym climbs are still about athletic endeavors, moving up through the grades, and difficulty is an integral part. They're all about the numbers and grades. There may be a philosophical connection between gym climbing and via ferrat on the basis of perceived safety, but that's no more direct than the idea that the Pope and Kim Jong Il are the same by virtue of the concept of strong central individual leadership. The people I see in gyms are not looking for the easiest way to the top. Of course, if I'm wrong, you're more than welcome to tell me "I told you so" when we're in the old folks home together, and I'll owe you a shot of Geritol.

I don't think he was joking.

linky It doesn't seem to be folks like the IB first ascensionists who are putting up Via Ferrata in the US, but rather old school folk like Jeff Lowe and Ron Olevsky. Joe, perhaps you'll want to give them a stern talking to at Sushifest.

Ummm, people? Re-read the original post, this is clearly a troll from the get-go. Better debates on the topic not to mention beta for those inclined to climb it already exist in other threads in this forum. Puzzle out the sometimes quirky search function if you're looking for information, but I'm moving this brawl to Spray.

I'm pretty sure the "dump on Gary" thread must be in some other forum. There's some really great stuff here, thanks all.

Dru, hip belay and diaper sling, that's pretty old school for 1990. Skeezix, that stuff is golden! Glad you got a scanner. Dwayner, I figure some folks just aren't familiar with knickers, already retro cool back in the mid 70's. Knickers then: And some natty knicker action from 2006, with red socks no less. Who says youth today got no style?

Vibratory dependency means never having to engage in foreplay again, eh? Damn, new kid gets five pages lickety split, where have I been, jury duty? Oh, yeah.

Get paid while you're trained by the US military, then get out and make the big bucks off your publicly funded education, sweet deal. Of course, your next job might be for Sony or Daimler-Chrysler, it's a little harder to wave the flag for that corporate stuff, but here's your future.