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Given my druthers, I prefer to trade goat cheese for eggs with Diane from down the road, but the store bought organic free range aren't bad at all. I confess, all those pictures of discarded male chicks made me think this thread should be labeled NSFTR: Not Safe For The Rooster. Here's corn to you.

Did Mrs. Alden get banned? What for? I thought "she" was a member of that sprawling nodder-otter clan, a subculture that is sometimes inane, but on the whole made up of pretty good citizens.

I don't think Christians have much to complain about their treatment by unbelievers. Surveys show again and again that we'll see a black Muslim lesbian president long before an atheist will be elected to that office. I've actually found good inspiration from the Christians in how to relate to religion: respect the believer, despise the belief. Works for me. I am a little surprised by the number of avowed atheist/agnostic folk on this site though, it's a relatively rare level of disbelief. Is the correlation with climbing in general, the Northwest (notably less religious than the rest of the country) or some special cc.com mojo?

I miss tub girl. Has anyone told you this week that you are a special woman?

You don't know how many blank stares I get when people ask me my name and I tell them, "Uh, Clem" Glad to see your grey matter coughing up such phlegmish nuggets.

Soma. Yep, that's the whole point of it all. Stay asleep you dreamers, this will soon pass, peaceful darkness awaits you.

Oh c'mon, what is Christianity but the pathetic whining of an emotional two year old, stamping it's foot and declaring, "ME! I am important and I WILL live forever. I AM SPECIAL." Grow up and face the facts: once you die, it's maggots and weevils forever after, amen. You're not the blessed child of some god, and the only immortality you can hope for is either a drop of your DNA in the river, or the small effect your individual self will have on those you leave behind.

Will's point about what is the character of the rest of the route is a very salient point. Have all except life threatening bolt placements been avoided on the whole package? Then why change the crux? Can a strong leader at the relevant grade put together an onsight, or is it really a well rehearsed onanistic chestbeat? Tradition says first ascent statement takes priority. Funny that "Traditionalists" deny that caveat to routes put up by people who's style they decry. There is no easy answer, but if you feel passionately and are willing to take whatever heat your actions may generate, then you should do whatever it is you're thinking about.

Actually, they are all equal: tools for dividing people into us and them, sanctioning murder of the other, oppression of assorted minority populations, and a savage collar on the lives of the believers. You're all free to believe what you want, but I believe all religions suck green donkey dicks.

This is for you Kev, we know you'd like to own some, and here's your chance...

Dave Barry had a funny column once about "points." His rant ran along the lines that no matter what you did, you only got one point. Wash the dishes? One point. Mink coat? One point. I think there was a corresponding bit about how anytime you cashed in a point, you used them all and had to start over at zero. Kinda funny, but doesn't really relate to my life at present. My wife is very supportive of me going climbing, and I'm equally glad to do my bit to support whatever makes her heart sing. It's running my damned business that eats up my time, so all of the other things I do get neglected. I tell ya, the Wednesday climbing session here in Tenino has been a real boon to my chronically overextended life. That said, I probably got out climbing more days in 2006 than in the previous couple years combined.

Right on.

Honey, what Archenemy does here is called "workin' it," not "work." Not that I'm complaining, mind you.

Underworld, you're falling behind in your talking points. A global warming trend is pretty much accepted as a fact by most parties, your fallback position now is that it's not necessarily human induced, therefore we don't need to change anything we do. Note that the effect on glaciers is pretty much a given.

Reads like Adamson, but you should use your own voice.

"Dru, I am your father," declares Pink

Do you think the change happened because he entered the Witless Protection Program?

Why don't you all just make like a bakery truck and leave!

Oooh, well maybe if you'd love me all up, big boy...

I must misunderstand the reference, surely you're not endorsing sexual reassignment surgery? edit: Okay, now I see since you added the pic. Tammy hosted a talk show with a gay co-host, she's hardly the most vehement anti-gay warrior in the christian world. Have you seen the documentary "The Eyes of Tammy Faye?" I was thinking you were referring to the divine Fay Wray...

Exactly! Religious fervor is a kissing cousin to flat out insanity. Check out the Reverend Fred Phelps for a prime example.

Castrati for Christ!

What, you mean that earlier versions are not the revealed word of god, only the current sanctioned version is? Did you skip the Dead Sea Scrolls exhibit because all that stuff that's been excised from King James on is invalid?