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I don't see any easy way around that. Medical records are pretty private, and "mental health history" can be pretty subjective. I just don't see how legislation would have prevented the recent event in Virginia.

Personal experience confirms this statement.

Yeah, c'mon Darin, cough it up! That's not 3 O'clock, and it doesn't look like the Comb either (at least the part I've been to...)

Yeah, beware, those techies will turn you in for all those images you got via PM from D-dog.

yet another take

Yeah, I miss The Bolted Flake too. For the uninitiated, this was a route at the (sandstone) quarry in Tenino which climbed up the left side of a 30' tall flake. With a crux down low and a crux up high, the flake provided the most cruiser terrain on the 11a route, protected by bolts on the main wall left of the flake. You'd really yard on this thing as you went up, and the crack was largely hand size. Up The Creek, the 11c route on the right side of the flake went up a tips size crack and made use of face holds. One time on that route, I found that the crack had moved a little, making some fresh fractures on the edge of the big flake, and this led us to abandon plans to bolt the route for the lead and eye the entire flake from a more jaundiced perspective. On the regular Wednesday night gig out here I'd perpetually warn people belaying at the bottom of The Bolted Flake to not stand underneath it. Well, one night the winter before last it fell down of it's own accord, impacting right at the spot I'd tell people not to stand on. The pieces lie in the woods below, it's a pity I can't move them without making a mess of the surrounding terrain. Granite is a different story though, is the flake attached at the base? One side? Is it just perched on a ledge? If you're going to try the trundle, forget little crowbars, bring a 6' long steel digging bar, that's what we used to trundle a loose block the size of mini cooper.

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Joseph, my point was that it's not Leland Windham (who is not "merely" a sport climber btw) who is advocating for Via Ferrata. I can understand having issues with some of his routes, but I don't see him as point man for those type of installations, and IB is not some kind of gateway drug. I do think you're wrong about the direction that Via Ferrata development comes from. It may come from gym owners, business folks in search of new revenue streams in a competitive market, but not gym climbers. I can easily see the direct connection between gyms and obsessively safe sport climbs, but Via Ferrata is a very different thing. Gym climbs are still about athletic endeavors, moving up through the grades, and difficulty is an integral part. They're all about the numbers and grades. There may be a philosophical connection between gym climbing and via ferrat on the basis of perceived safety, but that's no more direct than the idea that the Pope and Kim Jong Il are the same by virtue of the concept of strong central individual leadership. The people I see in gyms are not looking for the easiest way to the top. Of course, if I'm wrong, you're more than welcome to tell me "I told you so" when we're in the old folks home together, and I'll owe you a shot of Geritol.

I don't think he was joking.

linky It doesn't seem to be folks like the IB first ascensionists who are putting up Via Ferrata in the US, but rather old school folk like Jeff Lowe and Ron Olevsky. Joe, perhaps you'll want to give them a stern talking to at Sushifest.

Ummm, people? Re-read the original post, this is clearly a troll from the get-go. Better debates on the topic not to mention beta for those inclined to climb it already exist in other threads in this forum. Puzzle out the sometimes quirky search function if you're looking for information, but I'm moving this brawl to Spray.

I'm pretty sure the "dump on Gary" thread must be in some other forum. There's some really great stuff here, thanks all.

Dru, hip belay and diaper sling, that's pretty old school for 1990. Skeezix, that stuff is golden! Glad you got a scanner. Dwayner, I figure some folks just aren't familiar with knickers, already retro cool back in the mid 70's. Knickers then: And some natty knicker action from 2006, with red socks no less. Who says youth today got no style?

Vibratory dependency means never having to engage in foreplay again, eh? Damn, new kid gets five pages lickety split, where have I been, jury duty? Oh, yeah.

Get paid while you're trained by the US military, then get out and make the big bucks off your publicly funded education, sweet deal. Of course, your next job might be for Sony or Daimler-Chrysler, it's a little harder to wave the flag for that corporate stuff, but here's your future.

-fPQzjQMZQA Heh, stuff like this lawnmower scene from Dead Alive crack me up, it's the closeup medical gore, like the guy sewing his cheek back together in Pan's Labyrinth that make me look away.

No, I was:

Nice Tim, thanks for posting these. I've been curious...

Oh, I don't think so, user's last post has already occurred. Spammers don't provide much sport, since they don't debate, just post this kind of shit.

I can mail it to you on a CD Oly, but you've gotta crank the headphones when you watch it to duplicate the splendid sound that Ketch provided. I gotta say I love the Sausagefest, thanks to all for putting it on, showing your great stuff, telling stories, and just showing up. Big thanks to Shultzy's for hosting us yet again, good beer and eats and a venue that will let us mob the joint is a special thing.

Here's a shot of the aid line up the left edge, circa 1980 when there were still trees there.

Sounds like Painted Rocks to me, nice columns (with pictographs) along the base, with the other stuff above and to the left. Went there in 1976, I was underwhelmed. Much later I stopped in while driving by and was appalled to see chalk all over the pictographs from folks doing an (admittedly wonderful looking) bouldering traverse across the columns.

I thought it was pretty funny when I convinced a friend he needed to bail me out of jail, but maybe it was just funny that it was plausible.

Eerie would seem to be the logical straight line solution, Index the quality selection, but both are running a 60% chance of showers, so you might wind up at the climbing gym in Everett. If it's aiding in the rain at Index, take pictures of the suffering for showing that evening.

Geez oh pete peoples, don't you recognize a troll when it walks in the room? It's a fair and amusing effort, but ya'll see like you'll just lunge at any bare hook.