Al_Pine

thank you thankyou verymuch profusely

It certainly is annoying when someone is out of their league plugging up a popular route. But whattaya gonna do? Perhaps, you could do as I do. Just think back to the times when you yourself have been the plug. That usually induces a bit of sympathy, empathy, and enough modesty to prevent you from being a jerk. Then you can calmly decide whether you want to wait, politely ask to pass, or go elsewhere.

Hey jja nice pics! Attached is your pic of the route with the offwidth indicated by the red arrow and a possible alternate indicated with blue arrow. Anybody here done the blue arrow corner? I remember peeking up it. Looked nice, quite asthetic, but might have pinched off. Not much asthetic about that offwidth! Anybody got any beta on that corner? Seems like maybe Colin might have posted something about that. Here's the post I was thinking of.

Seems to me like his photos in the gallery are pretty straightforward.

Does this have anything to do with this ?

If anybody is interested in a Big Bro-reduction, I'll give you my #2 for a 3 or 4.

well it's 1969 ok all across the usa it's another year for me and you another year with nothing to do last year i was 21 i didn't have a lot of fun and now i'm gonna be 22 i say oh my and a boo-hoo it's 1969 ok all across the usa it's another year for me and you another year with nothing to do another year with nothing to do it's 1969 1969 1969 1969 1969 baby and it's 1969 bayyyyyyybee baby baby baby

I think you are taking Marty's argument here!

Athletes are stipped of their medals for doping because the other athletes would rather not be forced to engage in a dangerous behavior in order to compete. In cutting-edge wall climbing it seems as if doing dangerous stuff is the norm, or at least nobody starts yelling "cheating" when a climber cuts some corners, does a cool route, but is just lucky he didn't die. Doing some drugs while operating seems pretty tame compared to some of the risks many of these climbers take. So no. Can't take away their FA's . Of course, this could be a way to justify retrobolting. "That guy was way too dangerous when he put this up. There should be three more bolts there. Thus, the FA is invalid. So I, with the three new bolts I added am the true FA'er, and am allowed to bolt it retroactively how I want."

OK, then what do you think about that yarding bolt? Skips a 5.11 move, when you could just climb up a little then cut over and do the same thing, but then you have to miss a hard 10c move. What about the Grand Wall? A bunch of moderate pitches with at least one section that's close to 5.17, "bolted for convenience". I'm not sure what I think about all this, but it's pretty easy to come up with some examples to rattle some of these rigid ethical proclamations.

What do you guys think about Lovin' Arms or the Grand Wall? Both like Slappy's example, but on a different scale.

Shouldn't you just be writing, "I need a miracle"?

Saturday: sunny day, washed the cars Sunday: sunny day,mowed the lawn Just ticking off the days 'til I'm dead

press, that's the FS official site about it. Last I heard, they were gonna gate the road at Dingford Creek permanently Nov 2004. The road will also be gated Nov-April each year further downstream (cut off more road) at Taylor River. That's all a little in limbo now though because of "inholders" (people who own/lease/? land up there ?) wanting access. Anyway check that link and call the North Bend Ranger station.

OK good. So no ill effects from that whole quagmire thing. Hell, maybe it actually helped them keep going a few years. Made them proud of their nation 'n shit. Right on.

So are you saying that baby-changing stations aren't unsanitary or what? That guy's an idiot if he thinks baby-changing stations aren't preferable to the current alternatives. I'm not sure I understand what he's satirizing. My best guess is he's satirizing people's intolerance of babies. Is that what you took out of it Will?

I feel so sorry for that poor ER doc that had to be dragged out of bed.

You don't think that trusting crappy intelligence and getting into a big unpopular war that drained their resources and killed thousands of their young men over 10 years contributed to the Soviet Union's demise? Phew! Good thing!

From that quote it looks to me like the guy (?) is just some germaphobe who doesn't want babies changed in the same bathroom that he uses. Would he rather corporate america had everyone change their babies on the sink? Note that it reads, "Disease and filth are inadvertently being spread throughout the adult population." Sounds like an intolerant fuck who doesn't like to have to smell poop when he goes in the bathroom. I can see how some of you might object to "Baby On Board" signs by virtue of them being chestbeating. I fuckin' hate it when people are proud of stuff and proclaim it to the world. Everyone should just shut up and hide and not talk about themselves. Please don't impose any communication upon me because it is such a waste of my valuable time.

The Bush's and the Adams's got two terms between them though. That's better than my family so far

Klenke'll let you stay at his place. He loves dogs.

whoa! intense!