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A jury of his peers. Not a bad idea.

Hmmmmmmm. What else was in this "little black bag"? Do we have to marry you if we find it? Sorry about your lost ring. I may be up there over the 15th-16th. I'll have a look around. PM me if you have any other details.

Nuts, cams, and carbiners and it was at the base of a cliff.

Go climb with him and post a TR.

Who wants to lead me up Outerspace or Orbit Friday or Saturday? I've lead them both and just want to get out on a long easy route.

Pure speculation, but since there were two brothers I read that as one wore jeans and the other shorts. Did you have a humourectomy?

I like the idea of the law being in place. Even if most people never hear about it, some will. "A few" years ago, three friends of mine were climbing in Mill Creek when some local kids started dropping rocks on them. They yelled up at them to make sure they knew there were climbers below them and they intesified their efforts to kill my friends. Everyone made it down with only one knee injury in spite of large and small rocks hurtling past them on a large wall (6-8 pitches). When they got off the wall they ran down the trail with the intention of tracking down the gang of kids. But when they got down to the parking lot there was a sherrif there. So they reported the incident. As it turned out, one of the kids was related to the sherrif. And this is in a small Mormon community where they take care of their own (remember the Meadow Mnt Massacre?). If one of my friends were not the daughter of a Senator, nothing at all would have come of it. As it was, the only real punishment was that they had to go to court in Salt Lake City a few times. With this anti-trundling law on the books, the outcome might have been different. This is an extreme case of kids on a "wilding" but illustrates one good application of the law. This guy who killed Pete Absolon apparently had no malicious intent. Growing up in Montana and trundling rocks were part of the way we played. With more and more people in the mountains these days, we all have to be more careful but we are also just one generation past the point where people are "likely" to get hurt. So I do not condone his actions but since he seems to be deeply affected by the outcome, his punishment is probably already in place.

No. Post a TR. I've done North Trapper and Main Trapper. Both by multiple routes. The ridge between Main and North has a West face that is mostly 3rd and 4th class with a little 5.6 at the top and lots of trees. Good descent to N Trapper creek in a pinch. Watch out for those afternoon thunderstorms until cold weather sets in.

Yes. It is great. But if you do a search on his posts and read some of the threads, you will see that he has a "habit" of doing things that may shorten his life span and worse still, his and someone else's. I am genuinely concerned for his well being and for the well being of anyone who goes out with him. I do not say this as spray or to be mean. He has been offered by at least a couple of us to go out and get some coaching on alpine safety techniques and general experience. But even that is beginning to seem too dangerous to me. There seems to be an inflated ego involved. Couple that with a big cliff and an inexperienced climber............ I post this in the newbies section as a warning to other newbies. Sorry if it offends anyone, including Jamin. I think it would be irresponsible for all of us on this board to let these antics go by without a critical assesment. Yes, from an armchair but consistently scarey reports keep surfacing. Just by way of identifying the source, I have been climbing alpine etc for 35+ years. None of my coaches/mentors and climbing partners nor I have ever been seriously injured while climbing. Doing first ascents in the Bitterroots was where I cut my teeth. Adventure climbing at its best. It is my opinion that Jamin is dangerous to himself and anyone who goes out with him. I wish him well.

Or St. Helens in a rain storm.

In all the years I have been climbing with kids, this sort of thing has NEVER happened to me. Which, of course, is due to extremely good luck and nothing else. Glad you are OK. Tell your GF to use vitamin E oil when the wounds close to reduce scarring.

I'll bring a large tarp. Anyone interested in breakfast burritos? Are there volunteers to bring a stove (I'll bring a 2 burner propane), large frying pan (I'll bring 1 large one), chopping boards, knife, clean hands, olive oil, eggs, sausage, bacon, onion, peppers, sprouts, salsa, cheese, paper plates, butter, soft shells, refries, anything else we need for burritos. And coffee. We will need a lot of coffee. Coffee pot

I was afraid someone would say that. It has been 7 weeks since I sent my fiancee Sexy4U69 the $3000 she needs to fly from her mud hut in North Korea here to Jet City. I'm going to die climbing, aren't I? What routes did you have in mind? I'll PM you my address so you can send a check.

With all due respect to the posters here, you are far better off avoiding those situations. Carrying a bolt kit as a newbie so you can knowingly drop into unknown terrain is much like carrying an aqualung to swim over a waterfall. It's a good idea IF everything else falls into place. But you are knowingly entering the unknown. You are a newbie. You lack the experience to place said bolt and have it hold you. Note BillCoe's reference to being dehydrated and fatigued? Jamin, I feel for ya dude. I loved climbing long before I had the knowledge to do it safely. I did a lot of really stupid stunts. I WAS REALLY LUCKY TO SURVIVE! The difference between you and me is that when more experienced climbers offered to help me, I jumped on the opportunities and followed their advice carefully. Good luck out there.

BTW, I have all the gear I need. I will be at the Rope-Up and will be looking for climbing partners to do easy routes (5.9 max). It will be my first time out since spring due to some tendon problems.

Actually, just like internet dating, meeting people in person is a great way to get a better feel for how deep the BS is. There are frequent PubClubs and this Oct 12-14 there is the annual RopeUp in Icicle canyon at the Eightmile group site. Don't bring beer.

Yur screwed.

Where is Wayne's left hand? That may explain "a few drops". Nice looking route!

I ment to r'late t y'all thet we kin learnya gud.

That's good planning. I don't have my girls so I can drink more. I will be looking for a ropegun to lead me up some 5.8's on Sat and some 5.6's on Sunday.

No. That's a vasectomy. For instance, I shoot blanks but still roam and sniff. The technical term for neuter surgery is orchidectomy. The surgery is also called castration. Neuter surgery removes the testes. So if you have a couple kids and decide that's enough. Don't ask the doctor to nueter you. On the other hand, I highly recommend getting a vasectomy.

Seriously Jamin, your time on this planet is limited. At least you are leaving behind some fun stories. We will sit around the fire at rope-up in 2030 and tell Jamin stories to newbs.

Not if the dog was nuetered.

Is he still alive?

I do not know many people who I have climbed with who have not at some point purposely and willfully caused a large rock to fall over a cliff. Myself included. It is less and less acceptable even in remote places as the population continues to explode. But to call it anything more than a tragic accident seems inappropriate. We all have to learn from this and adjust our practices accordingly. Just my 2 cents.