Bronco

me and Toast were out there Wednesday and it was too warm! There was actually quite a few other climbers out there, more than I saw at any time last winter. I don't know why the state would have a problem with the septic system on the Index Tavern. It's worked for years! Next time you are headed over the bridge into Index, check out the drain pipe from the tavern into the river bed.

Toast, that stench was horrible. I have never smelled anything like it, except at the slaughter house I worked at one summer in High school. (not sure where the sarcastic graemlin is, but I am being sarcastic here) However, if I were you, I'd be a lot more concerned about the soles delaminating and get them into a resoler or send them back to the manufacturer demanding they fix em.

HEY YOU! you unemployed guy! you ain't doing nothing! let's go!

if any of you want to go climbing tomorow, my original partner bailed and I'm having a hard time obtaining a partner at the last minute. Big 4 snice climbing or Index Town Wall 5.8's or Alpine whatever... Send me a PM!

check out this photo: http://www.camp4.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=476 gaperlicious!

you might check out the wild things belay parka, I think Pro Mountain Sports has them. It won the "guides choice" award, whatever that means. also the Integral Designs Dolomiti jacket is lighter, cheaper and probably every bit as good as any of the above. I don't know who has those.

quote: Originally posted by minx: How did you decide when you were a) ready to lead easy stuff b)when to progress to leading harder routes? a) upon obtaining a rope & rack. b) when I couldn't find any ropegun partners one sunny day.

quote: Originally posted by Terminal Gravity: Come on people; do it. Let the others know when you have sent a note to the forest circus by saying so on this thread. Thanks I sent two just to be safe.

Chalk up 2002 to learning. 1) Didn't get any other newbie parnters killed accidentally or intentionally. 2) Realized how lucky I am to have survived some of the stoopid stuff I've done over my first year of climbing. 3) Got my wife to follow some trad and rap in the dark...heh heh. 4) Got my 4 year old daughter to climb a pitch and have fun doing it. 5) Learned not to push partners to hard 'cause then you get to deal with guilt as well as failure. 5b) in the interest of keeping with the rest of the thread, I on-sighted several climbs up to 5.8d at Index, even in the pouring down rain and scaled some little mountians at Washington and Cascade pass, once with a Cascade LEGEND! [chestbeating] failure - none, it was all fun, I love climbing (in otherwords, there's to many to list here) [ 11-20-2002, 03:30 PM: Message edited by: Bronco ]

quote: Originally posted by allison: Ok, all this talk of taxation leads me to another question: In a perfect world, what services should the governments (from local to federal and all in between) of our great nation provide? FREE BEER! FREE CLIMBING PERMITS! FREE DIESEL FOR MY GAS HOG TRUCKS SO I CAN HAUL ALL OF MY BEER TO CLIMB FOR FREE! GeorgeW er, I mean GregW is gone this week, so good luck keeping this dumb political thread going. Why don't you guys grow up?!

From a newbie's point of view, Gozilla is sustained hard climbing, Pitches 2 and 3 of the GM Route are fairly broken up with obvious rests and not as technical, except the OW. Having said that, I think the GM is funner climbing as it's more varried, like you say. I haven't done HOC, or Princly, they both look like a good time and on my "too do" list for the winter.

I dunno - I found a photo of Mr. Layton on the web and he looks pretty tough:

just vote libertarian. they know what to do with taxes. That's my two cents without having read the rest of this extreemly boring thread. you guys have me wishing for the "good old days" of Muir on Saturday. [ 11-15-2002, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: Bronco ]

I recently had my laptop surgically attached to my right knee so now I can work and spray 24/7.

quote: Originally posted by michael_layton: Personally, I snort Dandelions. cool! At least now we know why you decorate your hair with them. And I thought you were just another flower child!

Thanks to a link from Courtney's website, I've been reading a weekly web magazine at Testosterone.com which is mainly for bodybuilders and power lifters but much of it is relevant to just fitness minded folks like me. Anywho, it seems to be the consensus of many writers there that steroids can be used safely in moderation by someone who has researched the proper use and doseage. It also seems that most professional athletes are using steroids and other perfomance enhancing drugs and not dropping dead from it. Say you get a chance to be on a expedition to some exotic Mountain Range, doing a couple of cycles of steroids will make you stronger (if you are working out in conjunction with the cycle) but is there a downside for mountaineers? Has there been any studies to suggest problems with altitude and steriod use? Are climbers already into performance enhancing drugs with sucess and I haven't heard about it? Personally I don't think I'll ever do any climbs beyond what I can train for natrually, but, I am curious about the subject.

YOU SUCK GREG! here i had a nice little thread going and you ruined it! Boo frickin hoo. I wonder if the big scary face in the southern hemisphere are south facing?

Me and a buddy were recently talking about all the hard North Faces and easy South routes up mountains like Index, Baring, Rainier, Baker, Hood, Adams, da Tooth, whatever. There is a lot of contrast between the North and South sides of most mountains around here and elsewhere, the Alps for example. Why is that? I have my own ideas (erosion? freezing? aliens?) but I just know there is some geo-master type out there who knows for sure why that seems to be or if it's actually not the case, that there is just as many steep south faces as there are easy north faces.

Come over to the darkside Matt. Become a Capitalist and you can have your own park! We could use some creative thinking over here anyway. Things have gotten dull with all the Enron boys out of the picture, those guys could make money appear out of thin air I tell ya'.

one time I descended a "4th class" gully per Becky's CAG. When we got down we kissed the ground and ran around screamin "I'm alive!"

Could you use a condom? Seriously, I hear that some packpackers keep them in thier emergency kit to use as water containers and other wierdness (obviously). Personally, I'd rather die than drink water out of a prophalactic.

Matt: If you get a Toyota you can drive all the way to base camp on Mt. Everest and haul all of your gear too. Get a snorkle kit for crossing the Pacific and get a good one, it would suck to be 20,000' down there and have a seal pop and then the wife says, "Matt, I told you to get the good snorkle"

I hear theres a demand for Climbing website developers. No qualifiactions, lot's of time off too.

Heres a link to SCW web cam. http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/wenatchee/misc/snowcreek.html [ 11-13-2002, 10:10 AM: Message edited by: Bronco ]

had a guy on my jobsite swear he had extensive experience with nail guns (he even acted insulted when questioned). Pop. Pop. Pop-AHHHHHHHHH!!!! He nailed his thumb to the ridge board, right through the knuckle. As we were alone on the job, I had to wait unitl he settled down to pull the nail out with the claw of my framing hammer, good times! I briefly considered attempting to knock him out with a 2x4, but, decided he could fall to the floor once his thumb was freed. Nice scar from all of his flailing around. That guy needed medical attention approximatly once per week. Another time, he stood in ankle deep water attempting to plug in 2 wet extension cords. 3 times in a row.