Bronco

Here is what Petzl recomends: http://www.petzl.com/sport/sportuktest/sport.html very quick/efficient set up for experienced climbers, but, the belayer's anchor is not backed up which I've found is a preference thing.

"Climbers are notorious gossips" first line of the forward to "Challenge of the North Cascades"

Hubba hubba!! eh, acutally I never have liked the "heroin chick" scarecrow look. They need some rollerball babes, I know that would qualify as an extreme sport!! baby got back!!

Special Weather Statement Statement as of 3:30 am PDT on October 11, 2001 ...Snow Showers Are Falling In The Mountains This Morning... A cool upper level trough moved through western Washington overnight. An area of showers and thunderstorms developed in the early morning hours...and ice pellets fell in many areas north and east of Seattle. These showers have since moved off into The Cascades. With the snow level around 3500 feet early this morning...there is likely to be a couple of inches of new snow on the higher passes...including Stevens Pass. Local ice pellet showers may fall below the snow level...but only brief accumulation is expected below 3500 feet. Mm

Take "lite" beer, heh heh, get it, "LITE" Seriously, cut your hair and shave. especially if you are sporting a big ass ponytail or rasterferian beard. This stuff can be free to. $0.00/oz. Same with droppin' a couple pounds of love handles. If you are really concerned about your knees, try some Physical Therapy. No - not your weinee.

I have yet to meet someone who can't loose 5 lbs of lard. Myself included . By being skinny, you can also buy cloths in a smaller size therefore triming additional weight.

WHAT DID HE SAY!!?

PeterPeterPumpkinEater: This is a tired topic, but it is the funnest today. If you were to ask me if I was a sport or Trad climber, I would say Trad. Simply because it is my preference to master that particular discipline. I want to climb hard mountains of rock and ice and it's generally advised to be able to place your own gear even if the route (talking alpine here) is bolted. Another distinction I made in my first post is I would rather be in the mountians screwing around than "sportclimbing" (per the above definition of said sportclimbing). Does that make me an evil trad clan member? NOPE! Hey, I also think you are taking this issue way too seriously. Or -you must be even more bored than I am at work!!! Me Bronco! Me like mountains!

doh! Sorry Peter! uncalled for smartassnes fanning the flames! I will leave it alone. [This message has been edited by Bronco (edited 10-04-2001).]

and stop following me!

Sorry Peter for the insincere remarks, but, I don't really know/care where the line is (if there is one).

I think if Bigfoot were a human he would definelty be a trad climber.

Peter Puget: It seems one could asert (using logic) that if a climb is over 50% bolted it is sport climbing with intermitent trad. If the opposite were true, it would be trad with intermitent sport. Kind of like determining if bigfoot is a primate or human, but, different.

A story about helmets for those who have nothing better to do with our lives on a nice sunny afternoon when we should be on the summit of Mt. Index or similar places: The first time I ever wore a helmet mt biking I became a fan - you see, I was showing off for my girlfriend (hey ladies!)at the top of this long ass logging road by riding over the top of these bushes on the side of the road, just like a little monster truck RRRRRRRRRR!!!. Pretty soon, the other guys are tired of my antics and want to race down to the truck. I tighten my chin strap on my shiny new helmet and launch into the pedals furiously shifting gears unitl I am out in front with my brother in law gaining on me. Problem was - one of those little bushes I was crushing earlier thought it would be funny to release the quick release on my front wheel and not mention it. I hit a little bump in the road and went airborn - except the front tire, it just kept rolling right on down the road. We figured I was doing about 35 mph when I landed on top of my head (my ninja roll didn't quite work). The impact broke my helmet all to pieces but I lived (duh) w/ a seperated shoulder. I didn't win the race either. 2 lessons to take home for the kids 1. dont show off because in the end you look like a moron flying throught the air with a broken bicycle and have to walk a long way to the trucks. 2. wear your helmet especially if you are showing off or have been earlier that day.

On the subject of snafflehounds, (like all good rednecks) I have a mid sized "live trap" which is basically a cage with a spring loaded front door. You would throw some bait in there and just wait.....SPROING! You guys are welcome to pack it in with you to rid the earth of these blatent varmits. I wont be responsible for the fine you might get for "harassing wildlife" althougth you could claim self defense.

Honestly, what could be better than getting an alpine start underway than waking up your tentmates with a triple flutter blast while shreiking "AVALANCHE!!!!!!!"

That would be something to see!!!!!

And why are you guys concerned about fartin' in the great outdoors? It's the best place to blast away!! I climbed with a guide a couple of years ago who considered it a refined form of pressure breathing.

Dru: The other thing stored fat is handy for (that you cant do with a jacket) is when you run out of food you can live of it for 2 weeks while you body withers away. Guiness is for strenght!!

I don't know what that arrow is for but, I havent used it yet Seems to me, you guys have 2 issues here kind of rolled into one fat stinking mess. 1. Butt headed, pompus, swat team wanabee ranger dude in a position of power who chooses to abuse it while enforcing laws. 2. Being upset about having to pay again to park in a parking lot and hike on trails we paid for already (if you pay income tax) . on #1 I have encountered guys like that who are judges, attourneys, contractors, workers, cops and rangers. It sucks but it is a fact of life that you will have to deal with one eventually. I applaud your efforts to fight to get this punk in some sort of trouble, I sounds like he is a consistent abuser. on #2, I buy the damn parking permit so I don't end up having to pay the $150 fee. I think there are enough taxes to pay for this stuff but don't care to get into that.

To answer the last 2 questions, a 50m rope will reach everything at marymoor park and there are lots of ropes available at reioutlet.com and sierratradingpost.com

I had pizza for breakfast, lunch and dinner yesterday. I am working on developing some extra insulation for winter. Bring on the Carbs!!

Mystic Macho: I kind of wish you hadn't re-opened this can of worms, but, I'll bite because - I am bored. In my opinion, most "old school" climbers aren't "anti-sport" just "anti-bolt". It appears we agree on anti bolting. Being somewhat of a "newbie" myself, I am really surprised the enviro's, (I am a self proclaimed conservationalist, or fence sitter in political speak ), haven't made more of an effort to stop bolting in any publicly owned lands. If you can't climb it with-out bolts, maybe you should leave it alone or climb somewhere that is already bolted. I have clipped bolts and will in the future but, I would rather go on a hike or trail run if I can't go trad climbing. It's all good and if any of this reply or anything on this website offends you (as it apparantly has) feel free to find another, you're taking peoples opinions way too seriously.

I agree with both of you on the necesity of a rear tie in loop on a harness. For harnesses without, what does one think of taking a short sewn runner (8") doubling it up and sliding it onto the back of the waist belt for a haul/tie in loop? It would be plenty strong and it seems the only concern would be how to keep it from sliding around ( stitch or duct tape baby!).

ehmmic: Yes they may be hurting (if they are a baby) but the point was if you have a hard shell and you arent hurt, you can proceed with adequate protection for your fat melon. If you're wearing the bicycling helmet, granted it's better than nothin', but it's probably broken and not going to protect your noggin very well if you take another hit.