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Big 4 Johnny: I'll see if I can help you out here, 1) Obviously, it's a big gosh darned face with lot's of route options, climbers memories fade from years of "medication" and altitude. The appearance of that face changes all the time. It's probably not intentional and while I think the discussion here is important, it seems to me like you guys may be splitting hairs. 2) see #1 3) considering you've made 3 attempts, that's a lot more time on the face than most of us have logged and that makes you a "foremost authority". The real question is- are you gonna get after it again this winter?

cascade climber thinks it's in now - http://cascadeclimber.com/drury_falls,_jan_11-12.htm

maybe you are too manly for your partners. get some tougher guys to climb with or be less gung ho. I tend to get yelled at for being too gung ho sometimes. cutting back on the coffee may help too, that's been a factor for me. Carbs are processed for energy a lot more efficiently than protien. I dont know what to tell you other than maybe you are an alien life form or some sort of bellingham mutant. I love carbo loading before a climb. Hope that helps.

are these the stakes you are talking about? http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?productId=47573601&storeId=8000&catalogId=40000008000&langId=-1[/url] actually I think these are ok for glacier stuff. http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?productId=11967443&storeId=8000&catalogId=40000008000&langId=-1

if it's the place I'm thinking of, it's on my way home from the office and I'll meet you there. Some diro's from trask might help, I don't think I've been there in a while. Isn't it the place just north of the main entrance to the Frontier Village shopping center? How bout a name?

are you gonna be wearing a flower so we can recognize you?

whatever, cat's outa da bag now. shall we say friday night at about oooh I don't know Beer-thirty or so?

have you lost your mind? we don't want everybody to find out about the super secret best bar in the world!

YEP. we just need to move it to a place you can get a pitcher for less than $10.00.

check out the Old Inn behind the big hardware store on the east end of 2nd. They had Schmit on tap and pickled eggs the last time I was in there.

where's all your booze, guns, animal carcasses, beer and chainsaws? you people are sick!

I looked at the online version. It's a helluva lot better than any of the other climbing mags. Maybe the desert spires would be considered "alpine" by gym rats or bolt clippers. Sure it's not the Himalaya but, there is the element of survival on those bigger more remote spires.

A4+R! jesus! I just soiled myself!

Charlie: I was pretty freaked out as well right away. Dropped back to following harder stuff or just toproping or just leading easy routes I know I wont fall on. I've already started leading a little closer to where I was prior to the accident and decided it was one of those things where a series of failures caused the accident. And let me ask you this - Have you ever taken a whipper and had your cam explode? I didn't think so. Me neither. Nobody else I know has either. Sure it can happen, but hardly ever. Take 'er easy.

If they are out there gettin crazy on some hand cracks, more power to 'em.

I've heard this wine reffered to as the "two buck chuck" at a dinner party last Saturday night. It's creepy you heathens know about it. and just what in the hell is this guy supposed to be doing? -

Dear man who believes he may already have knowledge of everything: I drove to the trailhead in October as did many puny cars. trailhead as in walk across the road and hop on the trail. The road is fixed to better condition than it was in prior to the huge ass washout, which I didn't think would ever get fixed either, it was a monster. Trailhead park pass fee's at work I guess.

Plexus - the trail starts between the waterfall and the end of the road probably about half way. As you head north from the waterfall you crest the hill and start down toward the end, the "trail" is across from the wide spot in the road, don't go to the end, although it's probably slightly closer to the end of the road than the waterfall. The begining of the trail looks nothing like a trail, just a steep dirt slope through some trees, the cairn may now be covered with snow. good luck and may God be with you.

same thing on Mt. Baring.

real nice guys... anyway, I enjoy looking at the gear reviews. everything is rated 4 or 5 stars. some of the reviews go something like this - I just got my new (gloves, socks, pants, rope, harness, pack) from the UPS man and it looks just like...killer. I can just picture myself on Willis Wall wearing this. It's that good. five stars from me. or some guys actually use theirs first - review: I just got back from making a snow man in my new pattagonia (socks, underwear, gloves, hat...) and man, it's REALLY nice. I can't wait to use it at Mt. Hood Medows later this week, it's bomber! Four stars cause it doesen't match my beanie.

that water fall you mention is about 1/4 - 1/2 mile south of the trailhead.

I think matt's description is right on, except the flagging is pretty sparse. right now you'll probably only be able to drive to about 2500' on the loggin road, leaving 3 miles and 1000' to walk to the "trailhead" (wide spot in the road with a small cairn) follow your nose up through the clear cut, then stick to the south side of the ridge, don't be fooled by the false summit and watchout for walking on cornices near the ridge (or what you think is the ridge). Never done it in the winter, but, probably be pretty fun. check out www.mountainwerks.org for a full trip report. don't ever try to climb out of the proctor creek drainage, that is some of the thickest brush anywhere.

I was lookin for some info on WC cams and found the mutha load here: http://www.wildcountry.co.uk/frames.html

stumbled on this looking for something else..........not for kids: http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/threadz/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB18&Number=78603&page=5&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

ice, rock, or slog? What level/grade are you interested in?