Attitude Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Thinker: I frankly don't understand 'bike lanes'. Bike lanes are dumb. Motorists want them as a form of segregation for cyclists in the same way that public facilities were segregated from colored people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attitude Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Bike lanes are still dumb. [ 07-17-2002, 05:09 PM: Message edited by: Attitude ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attitude Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Dumb, dumb, dumb. [ 07-17-2002, 05:10 PM: Message edited by: Attitude ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 I am just posting this so Attitude does not get every post on page 2 of this topic. Celebrate diversity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attitude Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 quote: Originally posted by chucK: Celebrate diversity! But in a separate-but-equal kind of way, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klar404 Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 quote: I'm putting over 15 hours in the saddle now so I have be safe otherwise I'll end up splattered on the road eventually.uh... your riding 15 hours a day Jon?!?! you've been riding 15 years? I'm confused, but thats normal. Attitude, yeah bike lanes are dumb but kinda nice if you ride a bike and want to risk the occasional intersection confusion. Lets put it this way: you get saftey most of the time and then scary danger for a few minutes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klar404 Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 uh is just me or does Ken Schram looks like he needs to cut back on the bottle? Drinky the crow or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attitude Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 quote: Originally posted by klar404: quote: I'm putting over 15 hours in the saddle now so I have be safe otherwise I'll end up splattered on the road eventually.uh... your riding 15 hours a day Jon?!?! you've been riding 15 years? I'm confused, but thats normal. Sounds like jon has finally ridden his bike for 15 hrs. Can't wait for the TR. quote: Attitude, yeah bike lanes are dumb but kinda nice if you ride a bike and want to risk the occasional intersection confusion. Lets put it this way: you get saftey most of the time and then scary danger for a few minutes![/QB]No. Most accidents between cyclists and motorists occur at intersections, not between them. Bike lanes do nothing to mitigate the risk. If both motorists and cyclists pay attention and follow the rules of the road, everyone would get to their destination in relative safety. [ 07-17-2002, 05:37 PM: Message edited by: Attitude ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted July 18, 2002 Author Share Posted July 18, 2002 per week. I like to ride my bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klar404 Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 I'm at five hours and I can't seem to remove my gut! With the help of this forum and a new diet I to can be one of the comfortable people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Schuldt Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Ken is fat and out of shape. He is jelous of youth and strength. Calling him names will just feed his ego. As a serious cyclist for almost 20 years (3 of them as a mesenger in Seattle) I have learned to ignore such ass holes. I'll bet is is so out of shape he can't get it up eaven with Viagra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Bicyclists=Tele Skiers.....arrogant, holier-than-thou, snobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To_The_Top Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Fairweather: Bicyclists=Tele Skiers.....arrogant, holier-than-thou, snobs. Now that is just stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_Harmon Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 erik, "...think to your self about how you can be a better rider or driver. Because you will not change anyone." Well said, lad. I'm 44 years old and haven't changed anyone else in my whole friggin life. Wisdom counts. Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 dennis, i'm still waiting to hear some wisdom from you in your advanced years. i'm afraid you'll expire before the event. hurry !! i'm mentally impoverished. trask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrosaurus Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Trask, When the student is ready, the teacher will appear. You're just not fucking ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 give me a frickin' break i was born ready i'm a veritable encyclopedia of useless trivia and jabberwocky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figger_Eight Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Unless you've had to work in downtown Seattle (or any other big city), you wouldn't understand. Bike commuting is easily the best way to get into town. The bus sucks, you get around ten times as fast on a bike, and parking is expensive if you drive in. You learn to ride in traffic to survive - and sometimes you take shortcuts. Bikers have the advantage of having both the same rights as a motor vehicle (space on the road), and also a pedestrian (right of way in crosswalks). As long as you ride predictably, you're okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 just curious - what the hell's wrong with a car? i drive a car and get into town just fine i can also haul a case of scotch in the trunk...something none too practical on a bike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Larson Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 I ride to work year round rain or shine also . Lots of accidents in cars caused by the cell phones . When you ride alot your head has to be on a swivel. Mercer Island housewives are the worst.Even I have gotten into some major hassles on my bike with motorists ( can you believe that???)One guy even said I d on't belong in the gene pool I turned around and the loudmouth drove off .....coulda been Schram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figger_Eight Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 quote: what the hell's wrong with a car?Seattle has the second worst traffic in the nation, the nation has become dependent on Mid-East oil, air pollution, global warming and road rage. But that's just the hippie, left wing liberal in me talking. Okay...spray away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted July 18, 2002 Author Share Posted July 18, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Fairweather: Bicyclists=Tele Skiers.....arrogant, holier-than-thou, snobs. It's attitudes like yours why riding is dangerous for us. I don't go out riding looking for confrontations unfortunately they just happen sometime, in fact I try to stay off heavily traveled roads as much as possible for this very reason. I wish more cyclists road in a safe, legal, and consistant manner. I wish drivers would do the same. I can alway dream I guess. Hey Larson I got something that will piss you off. My good friend works for the DOT and they are planning on decreasing the width of the pedestrian walkway over I-90 by 3 feet so they can add another lane for people to sit in traffic in. Another day, another rant...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtngrrrl Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 In another city I used to do all my travel by bike, including grocery shopping WITH BEER, Mr. Trask. In Seattle I can happily walk to get hooch, but I still commute to my crummy job, about 5 miles each way. I've found that it pays to make eye contact and give a friendly wave to a driver who yields to me as I come screaming down a hill and they're waiting to turn left across traffic in front of me. Most people are OK if you smile and wave and give the "thanks" vibe. On the other hand, I think a lot of drivers don't realize how much space their cars take up. Riding next to parked cars and having a steady stream of SUVs, trucks and minivans passing is not a nice position. Sometimes I take up more space in the lane if it's a dicey stretch to make it clear that I'M HERE, AND I DON'T WANT TO DIE. What's this guy's deal with signaling? I'd bet 9 out of 10 drivers don't know the three hand signals. I used to signal all the time, but no one ever seemed to get it. My only confrontations out here were in Bellevue. I was on a downtown four lane road. Plenty of room to pass me in the OTHER LANE. Some bozo told me I should ride on the sidewalk. I guess there's no pleasing some idiots. Thanks for the post. I'm sending that lardass a message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Hey, it's fine with me if you guys want to ride your bikes. I live in the country, drive a subaru, am a conservative republican and drink cheap beer. What the hell do I know. BTW mtn.grrl, if you think your job is crummy, why don't you quit and find one that you like. Life's too short to be stuck in the shit-job rut. [ 07-17-2002, 11:17 PM: Message edited by: trask ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 quote: Originally posted by jon: decreasing the width of the pedestrian walkway over I-90 by 3 feet so they can add another lane for people to sit in traffic in. The best is when people start complaining about opening up the carpool lanes to single-occupant cars to ease the rush-hour traffic problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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