Bronco Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Seems like a question for the AAJ editorial staff, not a bunch of interweb ninjas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 From the old site. fwiw  Ok, Here is where I make a point that I have wanted to make for a while.  There are different definitions of "Traverses" Old style traverses of the Pickets and other ranges use to be nothing more than crossing the crest of a range and maybe a summit or two along the way. I dont mean to minimize anyones efforts. I have the utmost respect for the all adventurers  Then there are true "Summit Ridge Traverses" that almost always stay on or near the crest of the ridge that connects the summits.That is what I am trying to represent here on this page Then there are enchainments. They meander anywhere and do summits or routes along the way. I believe these are the unwritten rules of this particular game that I am trying to show here. I welcome differing opinions. Enjoy the page! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmace Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Then there are true "Summit Ridge Traverses" that almost always stay on or near the crest of the ridge that connects the summits. Â When the Wadd traverse was done didnt they drop down to the glacier and hit the last three Serras from there? They didnt actually traverse them like you say above. Â Does that mean its still waiting for a true Summit Ridge Traverse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 All that really matter is you describe your traverse. Â I traversed X. We summitted a and b. We attempted to summit c but backed off. Â Summit ridge traverse works as a definition for a group like the Pickets, but when there is no single ridge line like on the Ptarmigan then you have to qualify your terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pms Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Interesting that after 70+ years the Ptarmigan traverse as done by the original party has not seen a second ascent, or anything even close (summiting the same peaks say). Who can repeat this amazing classic. Get on it someone.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I'm just waiting to free up some time. My divorce should be final next month, so I'll get right on it after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layton Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 i want these 10minutes of my life back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Hobbick Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 The word "range" could be discussed as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowell_Skoog Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 It's never a good idea to try to redefine a word that has been used and understood for generations. If you don't like the way the word traverse has been used, come up with a different word. Â Regarding the Ptarmigan Traverse, I'm glad that generations of climbers have applied the name "Ptarmigan" to this route, even if they haven't repeated exactly what the Ptarmigans did. The name honors the pioneers. That's the important thing. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Hobbick Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I looked into the word "range" after I posted and decided that it does not really need much discussion. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 doesn't 'enchainment' include what Bob is talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pms Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 and the Ptarmigans were the first to enchain many of the peaks of the Ptarmigan Traverse. I find their P trips fascinating. Maybe the french got the idea from those guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pms Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 top 3 hardest climbing trips all time in the cascades. Original ptarmigan enchainment, don and natala traverse, mark-wayne-colin southern pickets, ptarmigan ascent of fury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Hobbick Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Seems to me you have to bag every peak along the way to claim a complete traverse. It seems to me a lot of Ptarnigam traverses are glorified glacier walks. Â You say this as if a climbing mountains is more worthy of "glory" than walking or hiking. Do you climb for the glory or do you climb because it is fulfilling in it's own right? I ask you this only for the hell of it and for no other reason. Personally I climb for both the glory and for the fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 top 3 hardest climbing trips all time in the cascades. Original ptarmigan enchainment, don and natala traverse, mark-wayne-colin southern pickets, ptarmigan ascent of fury. Â what's the don and natala traverse? Â googling "enchainment traverse" didn't give a single hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pms Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 how about a don and natala traverse, with the mark-wayne-colin picket variation followed by the ptarmigan enchainment polish style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 sounds burly, especially for the polish style part. Â You may know the answer to the question I asked earlier today: how did Fred name Town Crier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowell_Skoog Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 what's the don and natala traverse? Â http://mountaineers.org/NWMJ/05/051_GrandTour1.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choada_Boy Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 i want these 10minutes of my life back  No refunds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Poulton Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Then there are true "Summit Ridge Traverses" that almost always stay on or near the crest of the ridge that connects the summits. Â When the Wadd traverse was done didnt they drop down to the glacier and hit the last three Serras from there? They didnt actually traverse them like you say above. Â Does that mean its still waiting for a true Summit Ridge Traverse? Â From Tiedmann to Serra 1 they stayed close to the ridgecrest...prior to Combatant they did not according to Fifty Fav Climbs N American Tick List... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Poulton Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I completed an enchainment of multiple snow crystals during my traverse of White River Canyon the other week. I stayed on top the whole way with the cornice to my left and the trees to my right....I summited multiple wind developed crests along the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Poulton Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Here's 15 minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 I remember a few years back there was a lot of press for "integral traverses". Does anyone remember what that meant? Was it an opposite side traverse (like N Face / S Face, W Ridge / E Ridge, Mowich Face / Emmons Glacier, etc). Or did it include summits in the traverse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 top 3 hardest climbing trips all time in the cascades. Original ptarmigan enchainment, don and natala traverse, mark-wayne-colin southern pickets, ptarmigan ascent of fury. Â No Doorish route on Bear or Index? Not E. Face of Slesse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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