kevbone Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Off....why not just move it to spray? IB threads are a way better topic than say.....Obama threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenSeagal Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Obama wouldn't clip the bolts on Infinite Bliss, while I bet neocons would be A-zeroing all the way up the route. I'd like to see Rush Limbaugh haul his fat ass up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Because the topic is actually valid, even if the behavior of the various posters is not. So, I'll leave that turd there for any to dissect, and everyone can cavort here to their hearts content. Thanks for making a home for it Kevin. Â I'm not interested in parsing out the considered argument from the inflammatory dreck in that thread; I'm a traffic cop, not a babysitter. Â I would like to quote Bug, since he hit the nail squarely on the head when he said: We will never agree. Feel free to let this stupid "debate" die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenSeagal Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Peter, do you have any poll data showing a correlation between Obama haters and people who like Infinite Bliss? And JayB do you have some pie charts of cost-benefit analysis for chopping vs. not chopping depending on whether one receives social services benefits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirp Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 I think this topic should be aligned with circumcision now that it has been trimmed and dumped. I have renamed it appropriately... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Old topic was locked, not trimmed. Meet the new topic, same as the old topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Locked, but not B4 Raindawg linked this beauty on a bolt removal thread on Supertopo! THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THIS THREAD Â Raindawgs link to the Climbing bolt removal instructions on Supertopo Thanks for the laugh JH! The clinic should be expanded and re-named Route Restoration 101, which will allow for more in depth study with the 201 course later. Maybe with a Royal Robbins guest lecturer clinic as a highlight. Â Be sure to sign up for the following day's clinic on Route Restoration. Topics include:Â Keynote Address: "Live and Let Bolt?" Bolt Chopping: Crow or breaker bars? Bolt Hole Repair: Which epoxy fits your style? Paint Removal: Latest techniques and technologies (presented by a co-lead of the Sistine Chapel renovation team). Â Chopping Ethics - Session A: A review of state by state removal notification laws. Chopping Ethics - Session B: Should you wait for the FA to finish and get off the route before starting to chop from the bottom? Chopping Ethics - Session C: Bolted cracks and preventing violence at crags. Chopping Ethics - Session D: Are there any crags protected from bolting by the community without intervention by a private land owner or regulatory action by public land managers? Chopping Ethics - Session E: Dishman, a case study in successful dispute resolution. Chopping Ethics - Session F: Infinite Bliss, a case study in necessary arbitration or collective paralysis? Chopping Ethics - Session G: Chopping, an individual or community responsibility? Chopping Ethics - Session H: Chopping, Elitism or crowd control? Chopping Ethics - Session I: Ken Nichols - Profiles in courage or savagely misguided atrocities? Â We'll be holding this clinic at Owen River Gorge due to the abundance of bolted cracks - look for a clinic at your crag soon! Â ...of course, we have a 27 page thread going on already with this issue. http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/896687/27/Sport_vs_Trad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Because the topic is actually valid, even if the behavior of the various posters is not. So, I'll leave that turd there for any to dissect, and everyone can cavort here to their hearts content. Thanks for making a home for it Kevin. I'm not interested in parsing out the considered argument from the inflammatory dreck in that thread; I'm a traffic cop, not a babysitter.  I would like to quote Bug, since he hit the nail squarely on the head when he said: We will never agree. Feel free to let this stupid "debate" die. While I am flattered at being quoted, I believe that the freedom to debate indefinately is one of the strong points of the internet. I would vote to unlock the thread. Those who spray, define themselves. If it was not important, nobody would read it or care about it much less post in the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Whooh, I just noticed that the Supertopo link was from 2 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 If it was not important, nobody would read it or care about it much less post in the thread. Â Â thank you for clearing my eyes of the mist that kept me from seeing the importance of the debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Yeah Bug, seems like I frequently completely misinterpret what you're saying. Â Nonetheless, every point made in 2010 can be found in the posts from 2006. Feel free to reread them, there are some pretty good points made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Hey Kimmo, Maybe you missed it but I asked for someone to bolt the Gendarme pitches on the NR of Stuart so fat old farts like me can get up it. Would you mind? It would make it accessable to the masses. We all know how important that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Yeah Bug, seems like I frequently completely misinterpret what you're saying. Nonetheless, every point made in 2010 can be found in the posts from 2006. Feel free to reread them, there are some pretty good points made.  Mature eye sucks don't it?  Freedom of choice. Ask the Chinese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Thank you for making a completely unintelligible post, thereby preventing any misinterpretation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 OK Chairman OW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Now this is starting to get fun... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 San Fran-cisco COCK SUCKAH! Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted January 28, 2010 Author Share Posted January 28, 2010 Hey Kimmo, Maybe you missed it but I asked for someone to bolt the Gendarme pitches on the NR of Stuart so fat old farts like me can get up it. Would you mind? It would make it accessable to the masses. We all know how important that is.   Bug. Bolting the NR of Stuart is completely different than IB and you know it. Bolting a crack is different that placing a bolt where there is no crack. I say three or four places on the route that could have been gear protected. Out of all the bolts on IB…I say that is pretty good.  Off. You know I love ya, but locking the other thread was not good. I have to agree with bug that we may not all agree, but the right to say it is invaluable. It’s not like you guys up at cc.com headquarters are running out of cyberspace. You locked it because it is the same old argument? So what? You might as well lock every single political thread. Take care Bone.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Locked and loaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Hey Kimmo, Maybe you missed it but I asked for someone to bolt the Gendarme pitches on the NR of Stuart so fat old farts like me can get up it. Would you mind? It would make it accessable to the masses. We all know how important that is. Â and we all know how similar it is too (not to mention important. because i'm quite sure my world would come to an end if this happened. and that is how i measure importance). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 without reading I knew who'd be here and that they'd have nothing useful to say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010  and yet you did it anyway  you dumb fuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 OK Chairman OW. Â That's a good one I've never heard before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 One of these day's I'll actually have to climb IB. I figure the main reason to climb it is so I can get into Spray arguements about whether IB or Condo Buttress is the most overbolted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 One of these day's I'll actually have to climb IB. I figure the main reason to climb it is so I can get into Spray arguements about whether IB or Condo Buttress is the most overbolted. [/quote you should climb it with Raindawg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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