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Any and all climbing closures that are related to nesting raptors are lifted. Only one climbing closure remains in the park between Asterisk Pass and The Phoenix Buttress.

 

it's mentioned almost as an afterthought. It would cover many old classics & new routes as well. seems pretty significant.

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i would have to agree with you fgw. this zone holds some old-school routes as well as many of the new-wave multi-pitch adventure routes. many people don't climb these routes as they're not very smith-esque but it is a great loss to smith. this area used to be closed yearly for bird closures but then would reopen like the rest of the protected areas.

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well seeing as how climbers have been visiting smith for over 50 years now, they probably found some old rusty pin that is now old enough to be "Culturally" significant and sensitive. Or maybe some other shard of pre-whitty history. If you dig deep enough anywhere along a river in central oregon, especially near some big rock outcrops, you are likely to find something. Granted, I am all for actual meaningful culturally significant site being protected, but how big of a site could it be? The funny thing is the way the rules work, they can keep it a secret, so we may never know.

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There is now a followup post:

 

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:24 am Post subject: Closures

Hello all,

 

The current climbing closure encompasses the following routes:

Llamasutra

Wannabe Llamas

Llama Enlightenment

When Llamas Need Protection

Entering Relativity

 

Some rock art was found in the middle of these climbing routes. Since the discovery of these drawings there have been numerous meetings at the site to evaluate and determine their authenticity as to wether or not they were drawn by Native Americans. During this evaluation process Management has called for the aforementioned routes to be closed temporarily. OPRD is committed to providing world class outdoor recreation within its parks, and we are also comitted to preserving Oregon's rich cultural heritage. The goal is to create a management plan so that the two can exist harmoniously.

 

So again, thank you for your cooperation and patience regarding these closures.

 

 

Julian T Colesberry

Park Ranger

Smith Rock State Park

541-604-4362

 

 

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Na it is probably near the ground. So with a park with such a long history of heavy human use, they haven't inventored all along the base for rock art within 15 minutes hike from the trail head? Hard to believe it has been there all along, maybe some climbers fooling around with new age art work.

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The problem is that the park does not have cultural resource person on staff who goes out looking for this type of evidence. They come in once there is a need. More than likely a climber noticed it and asked. This set the wheels in motion.

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Pretty Funny.

 

From Smithrock.com

 

the writing on the wall was actually done by my kids 3-4 years ago. You can still see part of Andrews name. We used to climb at this spot a lot. The red rocks that they have used are still sitting on the rock directly in front of the markings. My kids know not to write or to mark the rock out there at Smith but it looks like this one went by me, sorry.

 

MikeS.

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If the scribbling is true then this closure will go down in history as a close second to the rock art found on the Deschuttes River (???) some twenty years (??) ago. The Forest Service got all excited about the discovery, got funding for an interpretive center and were just about start when the perp came forward and admitted that they were trying to understand the process and made some drawings/

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If the scribbling is true then this closure will go down in history as a close second to the rock art found on the Deschuttes River (???) some twenty years (??) ago. The Forest Service got all excited about the discovery, got funding for an interpretive center and were just about start when the perp came forward and admitted that they were trying to understand the process and made some drawings/

 

LOL :lmao: Sorry dude, but given that this was suppose to be a child, if this is true (and we have yet to see it) that a childs scribblings were even remotely considered as a Native American graphic, then THIS IS NUMBER 1 BABY!!!!

 

I think we all would support protecting any and all info we can about the earlier people who trod this area. However, what most of us see in these kinds of instances, is professional bloodsuckers living off the dole with these cushy Government jobs using their jobs to protect and expand their own importance and paychecks as they utilize the "find" to empire build. They do this by starting a conflict whereby a closure and then the ensuing mandatory public process guarantees that someone has to answer the outraged letters and letters of support. Someone has to have public meetings to discuss the new closure. Someone has to hire more folks to work the new conflict.

 

It all makes me in particular so jaded.

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Yeah but at least the state will not have allocated monies for an interpretive center. On the other hand getting spoofed by kids scribing will surely leave little confidence in the abilities of the state archeologists.

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For god sakes, someone on the Oregon forum, get off the key pad ranbling about beacon this or Hood that, and go take a freaking photo of this thing.

 

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How does this apply, hard to take a photo in the heat? After reading some of your TRs I know you aren't really that much of a pussy! :)

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