tomtom Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Second, Have the liability coverage on your homeowner or renter policy increased to $500,000 or $1 million. You can get an umbrella insurance policy which ups the coverage on top of your homeowners and auto insurance policies. Contact your current insurer. It's pretty cheap. Quote
ivan Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 wtf do miners know about climbing? spelunking - now there's their hobby! Quote
MarkMcJizzy Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 I honestly don't feel I should be treated any differently than an adult climber by my partners. And that's why you're still a kid, because you don't really get it yet. You're not making decisions with an adult mind, based on a wealth of adult experience, nor are you capable of fully weighing the consequences of your actions in the same way that an adult would, because you can't at your age. You're still a kid. Sure, you've got talent and motivation, but you're not the real deal yet. I started climbing when I was 15, and was always treated well and equally within the confines of the Seattle Mountaineers. I think that Choada's comments are off the mark here. You can start climbing young, and interact with adults on an equal basis (or almost so). John Roskelly mentioned the same thing in an interview from long ago. Quote
DirtyHarry Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Braydon and Marc just need to go climbing with a nice cougar who can turn them into men. Quote
Choada_Boy Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 I honestly don't feel I should be treated any differently than an adult climber by my partners. And that's why you're still a kid, because you don't really get it yet. You're not making decisions with an adult mind, based on a wealth of adult experience, nor are you capable of fully weighing the consequences of your actions in the same way that an adult would, because you can't at your age. You're still a kid. Sure, you've got talent and motivation, but you're not the real deal yet. I started climbing when I was 15, and was always treated well and equally within the confines of the Seattle Mountaineers. Then that's a problem with the Mountaineers. Start climbing young, okay, whatever, but treating a 15 year old kid as an equal on a climbing trip? For real? Are you fucking crazy? Quote
RuMR Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 You obviously don't know some of the teenagers that i know...i would be honored to consider myself their equal... Quote
kevbone Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 from a mental standpoint, RIGHT? Rumr got slapped!!!!!! Quote
pink Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 RuMR and his posse after the comp the other day Quote
MarkMcJizzy Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 I started climbing when I was 15, and was always treated well and equally within the confines of the Seattle Mountaineers. Then that's a problem with the Mountaineers. Start climbing young, okay, whatever, but treating a 15 year old kid as an equal on a climbing trip? For real? Are you fucking crazy? It was a long time ago, so I don't want to get too far into a critique of the Mountaineers. But they do have (had?) a rather rigid hierarchical leadership, which, like the military, could lessen the potential for poor decisions by the underlings. Things seem to go aray when a group a teenagers go thru a descision making process (groupthink), which isn't highly mentally evolved. But the same thing can happen with adults, remember Dick Rumpy, and George deciding to attack Iraq? And these rules do not apply to all teenagers Quote
rob Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 I honestly don't feel I should be treated any differently than an adult climber by my partners. And that's why you're still a kid, because you don't really get it yet. You're not making decisions with an adult mind, based on a wealth of adult experience, nor are you capable of fully weighing the consequences of your actions in the same way that an adult would, because you can't at your age. You're still a kid. Sure, you've got talent and motivation, but you're not the real deal yet. "Wealth of adult experience"??? When does that arrive? When you turn 18? Quote
Choada_Boy Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 A person with a dollar is infinitely wealthier than a person with no dollar. Quote
mkporwit Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 A person with a dollar is infinitely wealthier than a person with no dollar. No, a person with a dollar is undefinably wealthier than a person with no dollar, at least if you want to compare the two as a ratio. In math, division by 0 is meaningless, NOT infinity. Letting it be infinity leads to some very strange properties. linky Quote
rob Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 A person with a dollar is infinitely wealthier than a person with no dollar. Sounds like you've been talking with my ex-wife. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 I am glad I grew up in a time/ with people that wouldn't even think of such things so I could learn. 1960's mom: i'm glad little jimmy spends so much time w/ father mike - a preist will keep him so safe from those dirty little hippies! keep spray in spray Quote
marc_leclerc Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 I've helped adults climbers off mountains quickly when they otherwise would have been benighted, I always help make key decisions as well as adults... I don't feel like a less valuable person on the team when I am with adults. They do tend to make me lead all the dangerous pitches though b/c I don't have a wife and kids to take care of.... Quote
marc_leclerc Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 ...And you get the summers off!!! I pretty much work full time.... Quote
CollinWoods Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 Oh well... You got to buy gear somehow. Besides just looking at your TRs, your probably as good as a lot of the adults on here. Quote
RuMR Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 RuMR and his posse after the comp the other day yep...the two most juvenile posters had to post... kev and his bitch, pink Quote
marc_leclerc Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 RuMR and his posse after the comp the other day yep...the two most juvenile posters had to post... kev and his bitch, pink What RuMR lacks in stature he obvious;y makes up with maturity Quote
CollinWoods Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 RuMR and his posse after the comp the other day yep...the two most juvenile posters had to post... kev and his bitch, pink What RuMR lacks in stature he obvious;y makes up with maturity Im really confused... What was this subject about? maturity or leagal problems while climbing with minors? Quote
mattp Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 To the extent that this discussion is about maturity, I think we've seen here that age does not equal maturity. But then again I was one who suggested somebody take rhetorical discussions apart from the original question elsewhere so maybe I shouldn't say such a thing. Bottom line? I'd climb with Collin or Marc just as I would my siser-in-law's kids. Yes, I realize I could be sued but the fact is I'm pretty damn conservative when I take somebody else's kids out climbing and I believe the actual risk is very very low. I might oughtta inquire about the umbella policy, though. Can TomTom suggest that it would really protect against such a disaster as where I planned and led an outing and we were cragging and Collin or Marc knocked their noggin? Quote
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