Chickenhawks

[mtn_mouse]

Always a good time reviewing this list of right winged crazies that never served in the military!

 

Rush Limbaugh, did not serve.

Representative Patrick McHenry, R-NC - did not serve. Saw fit to endanger American troops' lives after a visit to Iraq by violating operational security and helping militias target their mortar attacks on the Green Zone.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve (1)

Senate Assistant Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-MI - avoided the draft, did not serve.

Senate Republican Conference Chairman Jon Kyl, R-AZ - did not serve.

Senate Republican Conference Vice Chair John Cornyn, R-TX - did not serve.

National Republican Senatorial Committee Chair John Ensign, R-NV - did not serve.

 

 

House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-OH - did not serve.

House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, R-MO - did not serve.

House Republican Conerence Chair Adam Putnam, R-FL - did not serve.

House Republican Policy Committee Thaddeus McCotter, R-MI - did not serve.

National Republican Congressional Committee Chair Tom Cole, R-OK - did not serve.

 

 

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani - did not serve.

Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney - did not serve in the military but did serve the Mormon Church on a 30-month mission to France.

Former Senator Fred Thompson - did not serve.

Senator John McCain - McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Why did the Bush campaign smear him so in 2000? At least Senators Cleland (D-GA), Kerry (D-MA), Kerrey (D-NE), Robb (D-VA) and Hagel (R-NE) defended him.

 

 

 

 

Former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.

Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.

Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve (1). "So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself."

Former House Majority Whip Roy Blunt - did not serve

Former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve. (An impressive medical resume, but not such a friend to cats in Boston.)

Rick Santorum, R-PA, formerly third ranking Republican in the Senate - did not serve. (1)

George Felix Allen, former Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve. (1)

 

 

Former Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld - served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as an aviator and flight instructor. (1) Served as President Reagan's Special Envoy to the Middle East and met with Saddam Hussein twice in 1983 and 1984.

GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Huh?

VP Cheney - several deferments (1, 2), the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service") (1)

Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve (1, 2); received seven deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State

 

Jeb Bush, Florida Governor - did not serve. (1)

 

 

Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve (1), too busy being a Republican.

 

Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve (1, 2)

Former President Ronald Reagan - due to poor eyesight, served in a noncombat role making movies for the Army in southern California during WWII. He later seems to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real thing.

"B-1" Bob Dornan - avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college acting classes (Orange County Weekly article). Enlisted only after the fighting was over in Korea.

Phil Gramm - avoided the draft, did not serve, four (?) student deferments

 

[Fairweather]

Cut and paste cut and paste cut and paste never an original thought of your own must run to the interweb now and reveal this injustice cut and paste cut and paste Obama never served Clinton never served but your sources tell you thats ok so thats ok go about your business safe with the knowledge you now possess find out what to think next

[The_Rooster]

What is this thread about?

[Frikadeller]

It's about rockin' out with yer cock out....

[billcoe]

My head is still spinning on how the public let the Bush team paint both McCain and Kerry as some sort of unpatriotic low lifes with less than stellar service records during the election process.

 

Perhaps it truly time to move on yet remember this lesson.

[olyclimber]

move on......DOT ORG???????

[mtn_mouse]

Cut and paste cut and paste cut and paste

 

Sorry I'm getting to you FW.

My point is that here are several "use the military anytime we want" chickenhawks that never served. Our current administration which is one of the worst.

 

Sure Obama didn't serve. But he doesn't turn to the military everytime things don't go his way. Clinton too was true to his beliefs and was not a promoter of indiscrimenate use of our forces.

[Fairweather]

Cut and paste cut and paste cut and paste

 

Sorry I'm getting to you FW.

My point is that here are several "use the military anytime we want" chickenhawks that never served. Our current administration which is one of the worst.

 

Sure Obama didn't serve. But he doesn't turn to the military everytime things don't go his way. Clinton too was true to his beliefs and was not a promoter of indiscrimenate use of our forces.

He attacked Serbia proper while supporting KLA thugs, and refused to intervene in the slaughter of 800,000 in Rwanda/Brundi. Great leadership.

[Hugh Conway]

Are you better off now than you were 8 years ago?

[The_Rooster]

Are you better off now than you were 8 years ago?

 

Absolutely! The organic farm is way better than Foster Farms. The hens here are great. And at the other place there was a huge jersey giant that used to kick my ass. Here, I've made top rooster and now I'm in charge.

[akhalteke]

Cut and paste cut and paste cut and paste

 

Sorry I'm getting to you FW.

My point is that here are several "use the military anytime we want" chickenhawks that never served. Our current administration which is one of the worst.

 

Sure Obama didn't serve. But he doesn't turn to the military everytime things don't go his way. Clinton too was true to his beliefs and was not a promoter of indiscrimenate use of our forces.

 

You might want to rethink that statement. Just because it didn't involve huge ground forces or was broadcast on CNN, doesn't mean we didn't use military action during his term.

 

He also led the charge for a fairly controversial war pretty damn near where fighting is going on as I type and the circumstances were eerily similar.

[akhalteke]

Are you better off now than you were 8 years ago?

 

Did someone fly planes into the twin towers and the pentagon previous to 8 years ago? The world has changed. That our way of life is relatively unchanged is quite remarkable as I see it.

[mattp]

He attacked Serbia proper while supporting KLA thugs, and refused to intervene in the slaughter of 800,000 in Rwanda/Brundi. Great leadership.

 

At least he didn't piss off pretty much the entire rest of the world and undermine our credibility and then trash our military preparedness when faced with an opportunity to strengthened our position as world leaders. Your ongoing expressions of a blind hatred of Clinton when somebody criticizes the shrub is not very convincing of anything but that you are obsessed with Bubba.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

He attacked Serbia proper while supporting KLA thugs, and refused to intervene in the slaughter of 800,000 in Rwanda/Brundi. Great leadership.

 

At least he didn't piss off pretty much the entire rest of the world

 

You sure about that? There were plenty of nations that were pissed off by this act of US aggression (Serbia).

 

[akhalteke]

He attacked Serbia proper while supporting KLA thugs, and refused to intervene in the slaughter of 800,000 in Rwanda/Brundi. Great leadership.

 

At least he didn't piss off pretty much the entire rest of the world and undermine our credibility and then trash our military preparedness when faced with an opportunity to strengthened our position as world leaders. Your ongoing blind hatred of Clinton, who by the way has been out of office for almost 8 years, is nutty.

 

So wait. You think we should intervene in Georgia? Do you think that Bill's war was justified. IMO these are mutually exclusive statements.

 

Putin might as well be Tony Blair right now. He is pretty much doing the exact same thing as in Kosovo. He is also breaking some major rules of engagement and the Geneva convention, but hey, the principals of this invasion are mirror images to those of Kosovo.

[Hugh Conway]

Did someone fly planes into the twin towers and the pentagon previous to 8 years ago? The world has changed. That our way of life is relatively unchanged is quite remarkable as I see it.

 

No, 8 years before that they tried to blow up the twin towers.

 

Then some right wing whack job blew up a bunch of people in Oklahoma.

 

Somehow, we didn't need a massive paranoid backlash.

[akhalteke]

...and where was the guy in oklahoma from? How many people helped him? Also, a terrorist attack that failed is little cause of concern. An orchestrated attack involving flying 747's simultaneously into different targets does warrant some fear in regards to sophistication of the enemy.

 

Perhaps some fear and caution would have better served us after the first attack. Our attitudes were apathetic as we had already "crushed the giant red foe," and had nothing left to fear.

 

We were forced to succumb to our own vulnerability and there was a large amount of catching up to do as a result.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

...and where was the guy in oklahoma from? How many people helped him? Also, a terrorist attack that failed is little cause of concern. An orchestrated attack involving flying 747's simultaneously into different targets does warrant some fear in regards to sophistication of the enemy.

 

Perhaps some fear and caution would have better served us after the first attack. Our attitudes were apathetic as we had already "crushed the giant red foe," and had nothing left to fear.

 

We were forced to succumb to our own vulnerability and there was a large amount of catching up to do as a result.

 

If folks are so worried about the Chickenhawks, then the choice is clear: McCain. Not only did he serve and see combat, but his own son is on active duty and probably in harms way even as we speak.

 

Hear that Mtn Mouse!?

[akhalteke]

...also, if you think that Obama would get through 4 years of office without deploying troops, you are out of your fucking mind. Even excluding Afghanistan and Iraq.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

...also, if you think that Obama would get through 4 years of office without deploying troops, you are out of your fucking mind. Even excluding Afghanistan and Iraq.

 

So, the choice is clear. If you hate "chickenhawks", then you must not vote for Obama. Thanks Mtn. Mouse!

[canyondweller]

[...and then trash our military preparedness...

 

Uh, hello, Clinton cut military funding big-time, during his time in office.

[akhalteke]

Huh. I see what you did there. Its dat a preeoree reasoning thingy

[akhalteke]

[...and then trash our military preparedness...

 

Uh, hello, Clinton cut military funding big-time, during his time in office.

 

While he had troops comitted to foreign conflicts.

[mattp]

You sure about that? There were plenty of nations that were pissed off by this act of US aggression (Serbia).

 

I don’t get you guys and Kosovo. Our goals were dubioius and the outcome questionable so I join you and anybody else in being critical about it but was it really the worst example of a misuse of the American military as you serial Clinton-bashsers keep insisting?

 

There was opposition to the effort from some of our allies and we read ongoing discussion of how Clinton inflated reports of atrocities as our reason for going in. There were also some incidents where we were accused of targeting civilians. However, our actions there were supported by all NATO members, there were no U.S. casualties, Milosovich backed down and, after it was over, most of the refugees were able to return. look it up on wikipedia. It was overall a success compared to most other modern American military action: consider Haiti, Somalia, Persion Gulf I, Beirut, the Iranaian Hostage rescue attempt...

 

Isn't the Iraq misadventure 100 times worse than anything we did in Kosovo?

[akhalteke]

That is yet to be seen Matt.

 

Kosovo was a victory, but for whom? The politics were dubious; still are. My question is this. How can you stand behind Clinton while berating Russia when these are litterally idenical circumstances?