Behold: National Health Care

[Fairweather]

A more enlightened and fair system for all...

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7542718.stm

[DPS]

I'm curious, what do you have against the idea of access to health care for all Americans?

 

I happen to be a sick guy fortunate enough to have excellent health care coverage. Even with really good coverage, I have spent > $10,000 out of my own pocket for health care over the last 6 months. Once again I am fortunate in that I can afford it.

 

What are ill people in this country without good insurance and high paying jobs supposed to do? Please tell me.

 

[Jim]

Seems that the US ranks below England:

 

The World Health Report – Health systems: Improving performance*.

 

*Copies of the Report can be ordered from bookorders@who.ch.

 

The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy.

 

One of the biggest issues: no one goes without decent care in other countries and no one is going to go bankrupt because of health costs.

 

We could easily cover the US population with the same money we are now spending. The difference? No huge profits and CEO salaries.

 

 

[mattp]

We could easily cover the US population with the same money we are now spending. The difference? No huge profits and CEO salaries.

 

Yes but that'd be "socialism."

[Jim]

We could easily cover the US population with the same money we are now spending. The difference? No huge profits and CEO salaries.

 

Yes but that'd be "socialism."

 

Translation: corporations not being able to fleece us.

[StevenSeagal]

Me, I prefer a system where people keel over in the waiting room of the ER and lie on the floor for an hour while staff members hang out 20 feet away, shooting the shit. And then falsify the reports only to forget to destroy the time coded security video of the waiting room.

 

It's obvious that greed is the only motivation anyone would have for providing a quality service; so let's let the free market do it's work or we're all gonna die!

[Hugh Conway]

We could easily cover the US population with the same money we are now spending. The difference? No huge profits and CEO salaries.

 

Yes but that'd be "socialism."

 

Translation: corporations not being able to fleece us.

 

Why do you hate America?

 

Here we privatize the rewards and socialize the risk - and convince cretins that this is a good thing.

[olyclimber]

it comes down to this. humans are basically good. so are corporations. it just when you try to socialize stuff that the devil takes the helm. satan.

 

it all stems from the fact that God and the Devil divvied it up the way they did. God got private industry, and the Devil got social constructs. you would think that corporations are social constructs, but they aren't. they are humans just like you and me, altruistic and lovable to the core.

 

for medical care, its best to let God take care of you. He can cure any malady, and if he decides its time for you to die after waiting 4 hours in ER for care, then he probably has a better plan for you in the afterworld.

 

so anyway, you can see i've got it all figured out. let me know if you have any questions!

[TREETOAD]

For the third time...Name three ways private health care is good for American people..Hmm I thought so

 

 

[KaskadskyjKozak]

For the third time...Name three ways private health care is good for American people..Hmm I thought so

 

 

Private health care or private health insurance. Let's be clear wtf we're talking about.

 

[StevenSeagal]

it comes down to this. humans are basically good. so are corporations. it just when you try to socialize stuff that the devil takes the helm. satan.

 

it all stems from the fact that God and the Devil divvied it up the way they did. God got private industry, and the Devil got social constructs. you would think that corporations are social constructs, but they aren't. they are humans just like you and me, altruistic and lovable to the core.

 

for medical care, its best to let God take care of you. He can cure any malady, and if he decides its time for you to die after waiting 4 hours in ER for care, then he probably has a better plan for you in the afterworld.

 

so anyway, you can see i've got it all figured out. let me know if you have any questions!

 

What are God's office hours? Does he take Visa?

[olyclimber]

1.) Rich people, who are clearly genetically superior, will get better care and thus have a better survival rate. Thus the human race will evolve to be more betterer.

[olyclimber]

just as God had planned

[olyclimber]

and yes, he both giveth and taketh Visa.

[Dechristo]

My God only takes Discover.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

 

yes, we need to trust in the God that is Big Gov't. It will surely save us!

 

[olyclimber]

God isn't just Big Government. He is also Small Government and Medium Government. God is also Anarchy.

[Jim]

For the third time...Name three ways private health care is good for American people..Hmm I thought so

 

 

Private health care or private health insurance. Let's be clear wtf we're talking about.

 

Actually that is a good point. The Swiss system is universal and private - and much cheaper and successful than ours. I'd be ok with that one.

 

"Switzerland's consumer-driven health care system achieves universal insurance and high quality of care at significantly lower costs than the employer-based US system and without the constrained resources that can characterize government-controlled systems. Unlike other systems in which the choice and most of the funding for health insurance is provided by third parties, such as employers and governments, in the Swiss system, individuals are required to purchase their own health insurance. The positive results achieved by the Swiss system may be attributed to its consumer control, price transparency of the insurance plans, risk adjustment of insurers, and solidarity. However, the constraints the Swiss system places on hospitals and physicians and the paucity of provider quality information may unduly limit its impact. The Swiss health care system holds important lessons, including evidence about its feasibility and equity, for the United States, which is now embarking on its own consumer-driven health care system."

 

[rob]

A more enlightened and fair system for all...

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7542718.stm

 

Wow, GREAT POINT!

 

You know who has really bad roads? Bolivia. That's just proof that WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ROADS!

[builder206]

Wow, GREAT POINT!

 

You know who has really bad roads? Bolivia. That's just proof that WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ROADS!

 

Didn't Bolivia elect some sort of commie populist for President? That's the cause of your bad roads, Comrade Rob: left wing politics!

[Hugh Conway]

Wow, GREAT POINT!

 

You know who has really bad roads? Bolivia. That's just proof that WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ROADS!

 

great point!

[KaskadskyjKozak]

A more enlightened and fair system for all...

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7542718.stm

 

Wow, GREAT POINT!

 

You know who has really bad roads? Bolivia. That's just proof that WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ROADS!

 

I have friends who work and live in Sweden, and have been for several years now. Their comments on the socialized health care system there is a mixed bag.

 

If we are going to emulate (and talk up how great) other socialized health care systems, we need to realistically evaluate them - not paint a one-sided, idealized view of them.

[olyclimber]

No it just proves that roads should be privatized in Brazil. along with wax jobs.

[rob]

What are ill people in this country without good insurance and high paying jobs supposed to do? Please tell me.

 

The answer to your question, Dan, is that people without high-paying jobs are obviously slackers, and don't deserve insurance. This is america -- we can't spend money propping up the riff-raff! We need to reward success and penalize failure and incompetance! This is the only way that we can rise above the great unwashed masses to our rightful station.

 

What would happen if we started taking care of the poor and lonely? Well, next thing you know, your favorite restaurant would be crowded with POOR PEOPLE, Dan. POOR PEOPLE!

 

Have you seen how they eat? Talk about bad manners.

 

No, it's much better this way.

[Hugh Conway]

We need to reward success and penalize failure and incompetance!

 

Unless of course you are to big to fail, then we'll throw tax dollars at you.