putin- man of the year???!!!!

[glassgowkiss]

if this fuck is a "man of the year", why don't they give the same "honor" to hitler. after all he stabilized germany in the 30th and took care of the "jewish problem". after killing something like 1/2 of population in Chechnya he is on exact same path. great fucking choice. I bet in seattle particularly popular, since you fucks have a statue of mass-murderer- lenin

[kevbone]

Tell me how you really feel? Dont hold back this time!

[chucK]

They did give it to Hitler (1938) you moron. Happy?

[KaskadskyjKozak]

if this fuck is a "man of the year", why don't they give the same "honor" to hitler. after all he stabilized germany in the 30th and took care of the "jewish problem".

 

Hitler was Time's Man of the Year - in 1938.

 

Stalin made the grade twice.

 

 

[Crux]

deleted due to redundancy - linky

Edited December 19, 2007 by Crux

[Hugh Conway]

Actually, Hitler was man of the year.

[glassgowkiss]

if this fuck is a "man of the year", why don't they give the same "honor" to hitler. after all he stabilized germany in the 30th and took care of the "jewish problem".

 

Hitler was Time's Man of the Year - in 1938.

 

Stalin made the grade twice.

 

that's fucking great! piece of shit magazine

[G-spotter]

hey did you guys know Hitler was "Man of the Year"?

So was Pac-Man

[glassgowkiss]

crux- putin is modern hitler!

[Bug]

OK, OK. History geeks abound.

Putin was head of the KGB.

George Bush Sr. was head of the CIA at the same time.

Now look at the state of intelligence and how it is being used.

Do the math.

[glassgowkiss]

OK, OK. History geeks abound.

Putin was head of the KGB.

George Bush Sr. was head of the CIA at the same time.

Now look at the state of intelligence and how it is being used.

Do the math.

do the math- go to russia and see for yourself! plus kgb is not the shit- let's talk about gru

[RuMR]

My dad, being the true finn that he is, and being career military insists that "there is no such thing as "Russian", only Soviet"...

[JosephH]

Next thing you know they'll be making one of those damn atheists 'Man of the Year'...!

[tvashtarkatena]

In 1975 it's American Women! How can fucking women be Man of Year? Stupid fuck magazine!

[KaskadskyjKozak]

OK, OK. History geeks abound.

Putin was head of the KGB.

George Bush Sr. was head of the CIA at the same time.

Now look at the state of intelligence and how it is being used.

Do the math.

do the math- go to russia and see for yourself! plus kgb is not the shit- let's talk about gru

 

GRU? How about НКВД!

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Next thing you know they'll be making one of those damn atheists 'Man of the Year'...!

 

They did already. Yosip Vissarionovich, for example, as stated above. He does you folks proud.

 

[Hugh Conway]

My dad, being the true finn that he is

 

whats a true finn - drunk, solitary and cantankerous?

[Crux]

crux- putin is modern hitler!

You might have something there (in your response to my now-deleted post that Putin is not a man like Hitler was), but your comparison is easily obscured by factual differences between Hitler and Putin, in that Hitler ordered mass murders directly and also lead military aggressions that invaded much of the world to the end of destroying much of civilization and killing many tens of millions of people. Putin has been in power for many years now, but has no great reputation for military aggression, much less genocide. Still, Putin comes from a communist power elite, an entity which you understandably detest with the passion associated with your own ethnic background -- but the attributes of Putin today are paradoxically not communist, consistent with today's *modern* state of affairs. It is here that I think you are on to something: As Hitler was a personification of fascism, so Putin may arguably be understood now as an emerging leader of fascism, based on perceptions that Russia is now undergoing a transition from the tyranny of the left to that of the right. This perception depends upon your definition of fascism, but if fascism is seen as fundamentally a process whereby the corporations merge with the state to the end that all political restraint on capitalism is forcibly removed, then yes, Putin (and Russia) may be going in the direction that Hitler followed. In short, to the extent Putin is now a fascist leader, he is like Hitler.

Edited December 19, 2007 by Crux

[JayB]

Jesus Christ.

 

"...his perception depends upon your definition of fascism, but if fascism is seen as fundamentally a process whereby the corporations merge with the state to the end that all political restraint on capitalism is forcibly removed, then yes, Putin (and Russia) may be going in the direction that Hitler followed."

 

It was National *Socialism*. Hitler and Mussolini both emerged from socialist movements, and the movements overseen by both required *more* state control over their respective economies in order to effectively consolidate power and deprive private citizens of the means that they'd need to resist coercion by the state. Trotsky understood this well.

 

"In a country where the sole employer is the State, opposition means death by slow starvation. The old principle: who does not work shall not eat has been replaced by a new one: who does not obey shall not eat."

 

What has characterized the economic aspects of Putin's regime hasn't the seizure of private assets by the state or it's direct proxies, not an increasing limitations on the state's capacity to do so, or to direct the economy by other methods.

 

 

[sexual_chocolate]

hey, hitler was Man of the Year, Moron!

[sexual_chocolate]

For Putin! Edited December 19, 2007 by sexual_chocolate

[Hugh Conway]

What has characterized the economic aspects of Putin's regime hasn't the seizure of private assets by the state or it's direct proxies, not an increasing limitations on the state's capacity to do so, or to direct the economy by other methods.

 

I'm not sure what you are trying to say there.

 

Energy - sales of coal, oil & natural gas - has funded Russia's resurgence. Putin has worked hard to place control over energy in the hands of the state, both through market methods and by using the police to force others out of business (see Mikhail Khodorkovsky and other Oligarchs). Once he secured energy into the control of the state he's used that as a weapon - against Europe, the Ukraine, and Bylorussia. His economic blackmail of Bylorussia may result in his directly staying in power.

 

So, if you believe fascism is the placement of power into the corporations, he's a fascist alright.

[JayB]

Edited for improved clarity:

 

"What has characterized the economic aspects of Putin's regime has been the seizure of private assets by the state or it's direct proxies, not an increasing limitations on the state's capacity to do so, or to direct the economy by other methods."

 

When we are talking about formerly private assets that have been seized by the state, which are presently controlled by the state, and are being used to further the state's ends - then they are part of the state, not autonomous corporations owned and governed by private citizens. Pretend that this is "placement of power into the corporations," and not the state eliminating actors that have the capacity to check the state's power if you wish.

 

Fascism, yes. Free-market capitalism, no.

[tvashtarkatena]

Puti Tang: the new gangsta

[tvashtarkatena]

We're not actually arguing whether or not Putitang is a fascist are we? That's like arguing whether or not Bush is a moron.