Choada_Boy Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 I would hate to see a tauntaun trail misinterpreted from the air as a boot path. Seriously: Stay away. Quote
ymir Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 finding the snow cave(s) would of course be the best thing, but, depending on a lot of variables, if one's not there to look for it, but to climb the mountain, it might not be noticed. whiteout, climbing in dark, out of direct line of sight (stomping past not over)...who knows. you might see a snow-cave-like shadow and think 'well that's probably not it' -- for wahtever reason -- and if you're there to get the summit, rather than there to look for climbers in dire need, you just might not follow up as you would if you were there in search mode. i'm just saying why not let SAR do their thing and 'go get some' somewhere else this weekend? (i know, sweatinoutliquor, that you're not the original poster of that phrase). Quote
ymir Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 if the cave(s) is/are found, great. but a snowed-over cave might be hard to see, and ambiguous traces of any kind might passed by a person intent on the summit rather than intent on SAR. i don't think the mountain should be closed -- i think the fewer formal regulations the better -- but i _am_ surprised that climbers would _want_ to climb for climbing's sake right in the midst of one of the most intense search rescue areas (basically, anywhere on the N and S faces very near the summit). Quote
kevbone Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 This has become an international media event with debate over rescue and costs popping up all over the US. Climbers are a small special interest group that can't even agree with each other over tiny details - much less the general public on broader issues. The last thing that the public needs to see on television is a group of climbers headed out combined with a random interview of some SAR official asking climbers to avoid the area. If the public sees a news segment like that they'll go nuts and we'll be one step closer to more government oversight for all climbing areas. Climb elsewhere this weekend. Should they close down all the ski resorts also? It could be a month before they know what happened to the climbers. Mt hood is big. Climb on the other side. Quote
ymir Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 i don;t think the skiing should be closed, but i disagree -- mt. hood is tiny, when you consider the most likely places for a cave. and how do you know what side they're on? the ski lifts don't go too high. any activity above the lifts, unless recreational climbers are up there, should be of either SAR or the missing guys. that's pretty straightforward. why not give them every chance possible rather than muddy up the scene? it just seems thoughtless to tromp around in the immediately critical SAR area this exact weekend. Quote
kevbone Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 the immediate critical SAR area I agree, but how do you know what that is. Quote
Off_White Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 In case anyone missed it, a post in some other thread makes it clear that Badbill & company reconsidered their climbing plans and are not headed up Hood this weekend. It also sounds like he knows what he's doing on that hill. Quote
User Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 the immediate critical SAR area I agree, but how do you know what that is. It's where all the SAR people are you fucking idiot. Quote
ymir Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 to give SAR and the guys the best chances, i'd say put a ring around the mountain starting at say 9k; anything above that i imagine is a good immeidate SAR area. not quite as small as i offhandedly said, but you can narrow it down...obviously things like yocum or steel cliff or castle crags probably aren't likely sites. but if it's all pristine (no tracks, caves, urine spots, lost or discarded items etc) above that because people make a considerate decision not to go above it, just this one weekend...couldn't that help at least by omission, so to speak? i could be completely wrong wiht my 9k figure but i'm thinking in this case, this weekend, err on the side of caution...or just climb something else this one weekend. Quote
Mr_Phil Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 if the cave(s) is/are found, great. but a snowed-over cave might be hard to see, and ambiguous traces of any kind might passed by a person intent on the summit rather than intent on SAR. My gosh. Thanks for the heads-up. I'm sure the bumperstickers on your car are also full of helpful information. Quote
kevbone Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 the immediate critical SAR area I agree, but how do you know what that is. It's where all the SAR people are you fucking idiot. Great so if you know where they are. Stay out of there way and you should be cool. Right? Quote
kevbone Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 How about "stay the fuck away"? How about it? Go suck your chode! Quote
G-spotter Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 stfu, n00b hey now, I'm new but a regular on 14ers and summitpost. Quote
Dechristo Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 you can be regular anywhere else and still find that you're constipated (full of shit) on cc.com Quote
ZimZam Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 stfu, n00b hey now, I'm new but a regular on 14ers and summitpost. :lmao: Quote
Jim Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 Seems like a good thing: For Immediate Release Mt. Hood Closed to Climbing to Assist Search and Rescue Efforts Sandy, OR – Effective today, December 15, 2006, Mt. Hood is closed to all climbing. The area of the mountain above the Pacific Crest Trail and the Timberline Trail is closed to everyone except the search and rescue teams directed by the Hood River County Sheriff. The purpose of the closure is intended to assist efforts to find the three missing climbers. With a forecasted break in the weather, rescuers plan an all out effort to find the missing climbers. By keeping everyone out of the area, the sheriff will be able to eliminate any false clues left by others such as tracks or cell phone signals. The public is asked to abide by this closure. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 Seems like a good thing: For Immediate Release Mt. Hood Closed to Climbing to Assist Search and Rescue Efforts Sandy, OR – Effective today, December 15, 2006, Mt. Hood is closed to all climbing. The area of the mountain above the Pacific Crest Trail and the Timberline Trail is closed to everyone except the search and rescue teams directed by the Hood River County Sheriff. The purpose of the closure is intended to assist efforts to find the three missing climbers. With a forecasted break in the weather, rescuers plan an all out effort to find the missing climbers. By keeping everyone out of the area, the sheriff will be able to eliminate any false clues left by others such as tracks or cell phone signals. The public is asked to abide by this closure. That seems to settle the whole argument. :-) Quote
kevbone Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 That seems to settle the whole argument. Maybe in your screwy mind. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 Maybe in your screwy mind. Lick sack, you clown-punching, butt-munching, jizz-gurgling ass monkey. Quote
kevbone Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 Maybe in your screwy mind. Lick sack, you clown-punching, butt-munching, jizz-gurgling ass monkey. You would like that wouldnt you seattle man. Quote
G-spotter Posted December 16, 2006 Posted December 16, 2006 Even more stupid comments!!! What the hell were these three thinking? Attempting an ascent of the most dangerous side of Hood, in the face of three consecutive powerful storms??? Evidently being "experienced" climbers doesn't figure in common sense. The previous week we had beautiful climbing weather, high pressure combined with a temperature inversion. They could have easily made the summit without complications. Now they are stuck in blizzard-like conditions, I'm sure they are facing wind chills somewhere between 30-50 below zero. Nice going guys, you not only risk your own lives, but those of the rescuers who are trying to save your asses. Let alone all the unnecessary grief you are causing your families and friends. Hey dumbass, maybe you didn't notice, but they started the climb last week (just when you wanted them to) and the storms happened this week. Quote
Dechristo Posted December 16, 2006 Posted December 16, 2006 Even more stupid comments!!! What the hell were these three thinking? Attempting an ascent of the most dangerous side of Hood, in the face of three consecutive powerful storms??? Evidently being "experienced" climbers doesn't figure in common sense. The previous week we had beautiful climbing weather, high pressure combined with a temperature inversion. They could have easily made the summit without complications. Now they are stuck in blizzard-like conditions, I'm sure they are facing wind chills somewhere between 30-50 below zero. Nice going guys, you not only risk your own lives, but those of the rescuers who are trying to save your asses. Let alone all the unnecessary grief you are causing your families and friends. Hey dumbass, maybe you didn't notice, but they started the climb last week (just when you wanted them to) and the storms happened this week. I'm sure they are facing wind chills somewhere between 30-50 below zero Hey Ignoramdumbass, we're talking snow caves here. Nice catch to copy this post before Timmay deleted it, G-spot. Quote
ClimbingPanther Posted December 16, 2006 Posted December 16, 2006 faster than the average moderator Quote
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