Crux Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 Top ten states for election problems reported to 866-OUR-VOTE hotline by noon today, sorted by number of incidents: PA 841 NY 399 MI 313 NC 239 CA 228 OH 225 AZ 164 MA 142 GA 131 IL 129 Total 2,811 http://www.bradblog.com Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 Top ten states for election problems reported to 866-OUR-VOTE hotline by noon today, sorted by number of incidents: PA 841 NY 399 MI 313 NC 239 CA 228 OH 225 AZ 164 MA 142 GA 131 IL 129 Total 2,811 http://www.bradblog.com and FL is not even on that list?? Quote
Dechristo Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 I voted to legalize polygamy; I think people should be allowed to fold paper into any shape they wish. It's dangerous to the practitioners to be relegated to performing this delicate procedure in the back-alleys of sushi bars. Quote
Weekend_Climberz Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 PA 841 NY 399 MI 313 NC 239 CA 228 OH 225 AZ 164 MA 142 GA 131 IL 129 Total 2,811 http://www.bradblog.com That's odd, I saw Tim Russert showing a list like this this morning on 'Today'. Didn't have all those funny numbers next to it though Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 PA 841 NY 399 MI 313 NC 239 CA 228 OH 225 AZ 164 MA 142 GA 131 IL 129 Total 2,811 http://www.bradblog.com That's odd, I saw Tim Russert showing a list like this this morning on 'Today'. Didn't have all those funny numbers next to it though Quote
Fairweather Posted November 9, 2006 Posted November 9, 2006 Top ten states for election problems reported to 866-OUR-VOTE hotline by noon today, sorted by number of incidents: PA 841 NY 399 MI 313 NC 239 CA 228 OH 225 AZ 164 MA 142 GA 131 IL 129 Total 2,811 http://www.bradblog.com Hey Crux! You don't seem too upset about all of these "irregularities" today. Could it be that you were never really worried about the process at all? Quote
cj001f Posted November 9, 2006 Posted November 9, 2006 Hey Crux! You don't seem too upset about all of these "irregularities" today. Could it be that you were never really worried about the process at all? He's to busy planning the democratic door to door marijuana delivery/abortion/illegal immigrant/gay sex delivery service Quote
prole Posted November 9, 2006 Posted November 9, 2006 He's to busy planning the democratic door to door marijuana delivery/abortion/illegal immigrant/gay sex delivery service Only welfare-mothers need apply. Quote
archenemy Posted November 9, 2006 Posted November 9, 2006 Since when are they the only ones to get pot and chicks? And home delivery? Quote
prole Posted November 9, 2006 Posted November 9, 2006 ...the democratic door to door marijuana delivery/abortion/illegal immigrant/gay sex delivery service Sorry I did't see that it was small "d" democratic, pot and gay sex for everyone!!! Quote
Fairweather Posted November 10, 2006 Posted November 10, 2006 Top ten states for election problems reported to 866-OUR-VOTE hotline by noon today, sorted by number of incidents: PA 841 NY 399 MI 313 NC 239 CA 228 OH 225 AZ 164 MA 142 GA 131 IL 129 Total 2,811 http://www.bradblog.com Hey Crux! You don't seem too upset about all of these "irregularities" today. Could it be that you were never really worried about the process at all? Quote
mattp Posted November 10, 2006 Posted November 10, 2006 I don't know about Crux but I for one hope they decide to undertake more aggressive voting reform. HAVA and ongoing challenges of close race results should not be the end of the discussion. I know there are States' Rights issues, but wouldn't a national standard for how to tally votes, how to recount, how to draw districts, etc. make sense? Shouldn't we do all we can to maintain free and fair elections as well as the public faith that we are having free and fair elections (not necessarily the same thing)? How about doing away with Electoral College? Standards as to what kinds of ID? The Democrats have pledged to "drain the swamp" and at least this, along a real look at how to bring lobbying activities into the light of day should be part of whatever they do. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 10, 2006 Posted November 10, 2006 How about doing away with Electoral College? How about doing away with the senate too - same principal. Quote
G-spotter Posted November 10, 2006 Posted November 10, 2006 Did you hear about how the Venezuelan government bought 10% of Diebold a month before the US election? How many votes did Chavez get Quote
Crux Posted November 10, 2006 Author Posted November 10, 2006 1) It's a travesty that we have allowed the privatization of voting operations in the United States. To turn control of elections over to a corporation, much less one with vested political interests like Diebold, is to turn over the power to destroy. 2) Control of elections and votes should be exclusively retained in the commons, as part of public operations, just as it has been for the better part of over two centuries of American democracy. 3) Electronic voting machines should immediately be banned nationally; they have consistently proven to be insecure, unreliable, and prone to undetectable tampering unless backed up -- by paper ballots or records of the votes cast. 4) All votes should be cast on paper ballots -- hard copy media is necessary for security of the voting system and it's a technology proven to be simple yet highly efficient when properly deployed. 5) Recent rulings by federal and state courts that have found state voters have no right to select their elected representatives at the national level should be rulings that are permanently overturned -- by amendment to the United States Constitution if necessary. mC Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted November 10, 2006 Posted November 10, 2006 I think a machine for counting paper ballots is acceptable, but the voting machines have got to go. One of their biggest problems, aside from software glitches, insecurity, and power outages, is that there are never enough of them. In a paper system, if the booths are full, you can still fill out your ballot. No bottlenecks. It seems that fewer machines were allocated to democratic districts in Ohio in 04...a shitty but effective way to manipulate an election by limiting access to the process. Quote
catbirdseat Posted November 10, 2006 Posted November 10, 2006 It's not the machines that is the problem. There MUST be a paper record of how the citizen voted that can be counted by hand. It's the only way that fraud can be averted. If the machine produces a paper record that the voter can verify reflects the way he voted, the machine is acceptable. Quote
Jim Posted November 10, 2006 Posted November 10, 2006 I was travelling on election day so I got to see some cable TV and saw an interesting documentary on the Diebold voting machines. Despite Diebold comments to the contrary, a computer geek was able to change the executible code in the storage disc (not the machine, just the disc) so it would manipulate the vote totals. Thus there was no way to trace the tampering and the paper and electronic summary tables came out square. That and the amount of tech gliches and sometimes lack of sufficient number of machines raises some serious questions. In the 2004 election people in Ohio and Florida had to wait up to four hours to vote because of a lack of machines, most frequently in heavily black disctricts. Seems that the simplicity of the pencil in ballot has advantages over the touch screen. That and the private sector profiteering scenarios are troublesome. On the bright side though are the states like Virgina that have a bipartisan election commission with very high standards. With a tight race in 2004 they only differed by 40 votes in a state-wide recount. In contrast to the continued zoo in Florida. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 10, 2006 Posted November 10, 2006 I was travelling on election day so I got to see some cable TV and saw an interesting documentary on the Diebold voting machines. Despite Diebold comments to the contrary, a computer geek was able to change the executible code in the storage disc (not the machine, just the disc) so it would manipulate the vote totals. Thus there was no way to trace the tampering and the paper and electronic summary tables came out square. That and the amount of tech gliches and sometimes lack of sufficient number of machines raises some serious questions. In the 2004 election people in Ohio and Florida had to wait up to four hours to vote because of a lack of machines, most frequently in heavily black disctricts. Seems that the simplicity of the pencil in ballot has advantages over the touch screen. That and the private sector profiteering scenarios are troublesome. On the bright side though are the states like Virgina that have a bipartisan election commission with very high standards. With a tight race in 2004 they only differed by 40 votes in a state-wide recount. In contrast to the continued zoo in Florida. I'm a software engineer, and I'm telling you all: don't trust this software. It can be hacked, misused, and abused, and who knows how well it was tested in the first place (there are always bugs that software developers miss anyways - with testing or not). Quote
mattp Posted November 10, 2006 Posted November 10, 2006 I'm skeptical about computer voting machines in general but, even if there might be some reason to us them I think we should talk about the manufacturer. In my view, Diebold is 100% disqualified based on their clear record of dishonesty or incompetence. Consider that on more than one occasion they publicly asserted that their machines could not be hacked and some hackers performed a demonstration hack in short order. Consider also their past assertions that they could not make machines that produced a printed receipt while they make bank machines that do exactly that. Think about it: security and verification are the number one and two things that matter in a voting machine, are they not? Forget the fact that Diebold is a major Republican donor and prior to the last election they said they were going to deliver Ohio to Bush. Would any of us hire ANY contractor who had been so completely wrong about their product and its capabilities in such fundamental ways? Quote
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