Dave_Schuldt Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 OR KANSAS, I DON'T FUCKING CARE. JUST ANOTHER SPORTS TEAM LIVING OFF THE GOVERNMENT TIT. Let Bellvue have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 Â What's on Dave Schultz's flag pole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary_Yngve Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 Welcome back, Kurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griz Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 What Dave reads on the shitter... Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dave_Schuldt Posted February 13, 2006 Author Share Posted February 13, 2006 I bet gris sleeps w/ that issue.... So all you can do is insult me, the Sonics must not be worth defending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 You must be referring to the fact that the Sonics want us to come up with $200 million for a remodel when the previous (what was it $130 million?) remodel isn't even paid off yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Go! Sonics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 I bet gris sleeps w/ that issue.... So all you can do is insult me, the Sonics must not be worth defending. Â No he's just responding to your knee jerk thoughtless post in kind. Â The last I heard it sounds like the Arena is going to end up being remodeled even if the Sonics leave. The reason being that even if it's just a concert venue they've still got to keep up with all the other concert venues or they won't have anyone paying to use the space. You're still going to get stuck with a bill Dave. Â PS as far as I can tell there is nothing about American culture you like Dave...maybe you should move to Europe where everbody is into soccer and formula 1 racing. It's just so much more sophisticated over there. Then again there's probably no good place for a gay communist these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylou Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 it's just a concert venue they've still got to keep up with all the other concert venues or they won't have anyone paying to use the space. Â I'd be surprised if they remodel the venue if the Sonics leave. The Sonics' PR guy is making shit up about how the facility is not a competitive venue because of the loading dock situation. I've probably worked a hundred shows since the venue was remodeled, and it is not suffering for the loading docks. The Key is competitive with any similar venue in the country. Â P.S. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Sonics. Buh-bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double_E Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Dave S .... I'll never understand your intense hatred and disgust for pro sports. Lighten up, fer crissakes. Â Alpine K .... I'll never understand your intense hatred and disgust for Dave Schuldt. Perhaps deep down inside, something about him reminds you of, um.. yourself? (that's often how these things work.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kix Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Let Bellvue have them. Â cool. front row seats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foraker Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 I don't believe it's pro sports, per se, that upsets him. I think rather it's the blatant corporate welfare that does. I liked what the Sonics owner said about the Seahawks. Something like 'see how a winning sports team can pull a community together'. I couldn't help but thinking a) if that were true, you wouldn't be threatening to leave unless we build you a shiny new venue with OUR money and b) you suck and you aren't winning (when you start winning consistently, talk to us about a new venue). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyHarry Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 you suck and you aren't winning (when you start winning consistently, talk to us about a new venue). Â But which one comes first? I'm no pro sports afficianado but it seems that building the nice facilities builds interest and revenue which leads to better staff and players and then winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foraker Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 (edited) If building/refurbing it the last time didn't help, why should it help them win now by throwing more money (ours) at them? Personally, I don't give a shite about pro sports, but I won't deny anyone else the 'pleasure'. Just don't be throwing good money after bad. Admittedly, part of me would derive a perverse pleasure from having the city tell one of these sports teams owners, 'You want to leave? Right, off with you then.' Hmm. Let me see. Schools or new basketball stadium? Hmm.... Edited February 13, 2006 by foraker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyHarry Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 I don't think its quite that simple. The argument goes that successfull sports teams bring in money for the city and state - taxes as well as private sector revenue - that would provide more money for things like schools in the long run. Â And why the issues with sports teams owners? Owners like Howard Schultz are doing their best to create a successfull franchise with a sport team that pays a substantial amount of tax to the state and is fundamentally intertwined with the public interest of city and state. I don't see what is wrong with asking for some state financial help when both parties will be better off for it in the long run. Â But, on the other hand, if there's no market for the sports team, then maybe we should tell them to get out, but I don't think that's the case here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylou Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 The remodel that the city did for the Sonics nine years ago isn't even paid for yet. That remodel was done to meet the requirements of the Sonics, how many times are we going to remodel the place for them? Â The mayor's been on KUOW this hour, mostly talking about Seattle Center stuff. The Sonics play 41 home games a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foraker Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Substantial tax revenue? I'm highly suspicious of that compared to the overall costs of the loan + interest + secondary costs. Why is it you never get to see a decent cost/benefit analysis of sports teams? Probably because vested interests don't want you to. Sports teams aren't lucrative cash-cows for cities. They're entertainment and matters of pride for politicians and owners. How long has that one guys been fighting to get the details of the last stadium deal? Why can't they just fork over the numbers? Why did he have to go to court for years and years? Probably because the deal was an embarrassment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Seattle should just play hardball. Let 'em go, and sue their asses if they do. When a new contract is inked, make sure there is a no whining clause that allows Seattle to immediately boot them from the arena if they start asking for more. Â Unreal that a loser team like the Sonics can get considerations because the Seahawks had a freak year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kix Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 "THE SONICS CAN GO TO HELL! " Â and take Howard and all the damn starbucks with em when they go too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Schuldt Posted February 13, 2006 Author Share Posted February 13, 2006 I don't hate the sports, just the fact that thier on the dole. For non fans like me it's hard to understand why they can bend the city over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underworld Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 ever play sim-city? no brainer... you gotta remodel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 I'm with Dave on this one. It's a private business. If they can't operate effectively with the income that the business generates, then perhaps they should invest in new management or seek greener pastures elsewhere. Â There are plenty of sentimental arguments to be made for keeping a long-time sports franchise in a city, but I wish they'd just be frank when asking for handouts instead of coming up with economic arguments that would leave even Marx and Engels guffawing in their graves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scratchandsniff Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Dood, those that don't want to, shouldn't have to pay. Â Which means, those who want to pay - step up and just pay the freaking bill ya pussies-leave the rest of us alone. Â I agree, F*c em, let them leave town and move to Snohmish or someplace that wants them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Schuldt Posted February 13, 2006 Author Share Posted February 13, 2006 Dood, those that don't want to, shouldn't have to pay. Â Which means, those who want to pay - step up and just pay the freaking bill ya pussies-leave the rest of us alone. Â I agree, F*c em, let them leave town and move to Snohmish or someplace that wants them. Â Pony up Sonics fans, put your $ where your mouth is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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