Dru Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Can't do Realization, but climbs 15a anyways. D Graham claims new 15a in Swissyland after failing to send Sharma's rig at Ceuse. Discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 I think its possible - climbing at that high a grade seems a bit hit and miss for the people accomplishing it. And Graham has been at the top of the game for long enough that his claims have credibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 even if he's missed it, big deal...its 5.14d... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyHarry Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Well, 14c++, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 15, 2005 Author Share Posted December 15, 2005 Maybe it has a boulder start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek_the_Greek Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Post deleted by MisterE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra_Commander Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 maybe he should stop wearing the patagonia r1 and switch to the r.5 and stop waking up and sticking his head out a bibler with messy hair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Can't do Realization, but climbs 15a anyways. D Graham claims new 15a in Swissyland after failing to send Sharma's rig at Ceuse. Discuss. 1. Dave Graham has sent like every 5.14 in the world, and has been mopping up .14+ projects in Europe with such regularity as to make the accomplishments seem blase. 2. There are, what, fewer than 5 5.15s that have actually been confirmed by other climbers? There's hardly a good pool to draw from for consensus, not to mention more than a handful of climbers capable of sending the grade. 3. You are a Canadian alpinist. Discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Trippett Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Maybe it has a boulder start. maybe it has an alpine start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distel32 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 wonder if it is that rad looking project he climbs on in dosage3 whatever, if it is 15 or 14, does it really matter to any of us? skinnytendonclimbers4lyfe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 This is Canada- 15 is legal and 14 isn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pope Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Here's what I think. Folks have been dogging 5.14 since when....1988 or so? It's time for 5.15, and if David What's-his-name is a big rock star and let's say he can't really climb it, then I suggest we call it 5.16. It will sell magazines and that will sell quick-draws and such and it will be good for the sport, from the financial perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra_Commander Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 well if he can't climb it, it must be a graham cracker BWAHAHA!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distel32 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 nice mom joke..... I love how pope tries to play the "I'm too cool to admit I know who dave graham is" card..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I suspect once you are into .15 territory that we can't expect every route to map cleanly to every body. At that point body differences, style proprensities, rock preferences, and body "language" all start to affect the outcomes to the point where simply being a couple of inches taller or shorter could make all the difference in the world and could result in someone not getting up a particular route or problem... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 but how does driving pins affect the ratings??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Depends on whether you carry them and the hammer on your harness, a shoulder sling, or are freeing the route with a tagline (recommended)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I love a good straight man response to a wisecrack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek_the_Greek Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I suspect once you are into .15 territory that we can't expect every route to map cleanly to every body. At that point body differences, style proprensities, rock preferences, and body "language" all start to affect the outcomes to the point the point where simply being a couple of inches taller or shorter could make all the difference in the world and could result in someone not getting up a particular route or problem... Agreed. Shit, man, this already happens on 5.10s and 11s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 [dinosaurian grousing, sour grapes antiquity-wallowing] Pope: the only person on Earth who still has his wool knickers in a twist about that newfangled sports climber Warren Harding bolting up El Cap. How often do you have to re-hobnail your mountain boots, old chap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I suspect once you are into .15 territory that we can't expect every route to map cleanly to every body. At that point body differences, style proprensities, rock preferences, and body "language" all start to affect the outcomes to the point where simply being a couple of inches taller or shorter could make all the difference in the world and could result in someone not getting up a particular route or problem... You'll note that you don't hear many reports of cutting-edge climbers complaining that they couldn't send a route because they were too short/tall/whatever. Could be part of why they are climbing 10x harder than the rest of us could ever hope to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squid Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Yeah- they've mastered the elusive art of growing/shrinking whilst on route. Me, I only get shrinkage when climbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra_Commander Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I love a good straight man response to a wisecrack. I do too... but "wise"? let's not kid ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 You'll note that you don't hear many reports of cutting-edge climbers complaining that they couldn't send a route because they were too short/tall/whatever. Could be part of why they are climbing 10x harder than the rest of us could ever hope to? Yep, but it's easy to suppose they are probably entering territory where some climbs/sequence of moves will simply not permit all different body types/sizes/shapes to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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