pope Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 Here's something that Dwayner sent me that I'm sure he wouldn't mind me passing along: Dude: Another article from High Country News. This one is about those bolted caves in Oregon. Complaining vociferously about this matter is what got me finally banned. Check it out: HOTLINE - April 1, 2002 Forest Service gives climbers the slip by Ted Katauskas OREGON Rock climbers are clinging a bit more tenaciously to crags on federal lands now that the U.S. Forest Service has all but outlawed climbing at a network of caves outside of Bend, Ore. To protect dwindling populations of bats and to preserve the caves, which are sacred to the Confederated Tribes of the Warm Springs, in late February the Deschutes National Forest banned the installation and use of climbing bolts. It also created a $200 fine if climbers are found using, or even possessing, magnesium carbonate, a chalk-like hand-drying agent that permanently stains the dark porous volcanic rock. "Not only is this outrageous, its unconstitutional," says Shawn Tierney, a spokesperson for the Boulder, Colo.-based Access Fund, which unsuccessfully appealed the decision. "One of our primary objections is that this arbitrary ban could be used to justify similar actions around the country. Its a very dangerous precedent." Others say climbers dont deserve to use the area: They bolted 160 climbing anchors over one 400-square-foot area of rock near the mouth of the most popular cave, and coated parts of the caves ceiling and walls with layers of magnesium carbonate, covering prehistoric Native American pictographs. "When I first saw what these guys had done, I was so upset that I couldnt sleep for a week," says Portland cave conservationist Larry King, who removed the last of the bolts days after the ban was enacted. "They went in there without asking permission, without doing any environmental or archaeological assessments, and turned these caves into their own personal climbing gyms." Here's the funny part from above: "Not only is this outrageous, its unconstitutional," says Shawn Tierney, a spokesperson for the Boulder, Colo.-based Access Fund, which unsuccessfully appealed the decision. "One of our primary objections is that this ARBITRARY BAN could be used to justify similar actions around the country. Its a very dangerous precedent." Ain't that funny. Dwayner (and archaeologist AND climber was arbitrarily banned by cc.com for complaining about climbers abusing that cave and the Access Fund is complaining about being arbitrarily banned. ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, etc. Perhaps, worthy of bringing to public attention, eh velvet roadhog? - Dwayner Quote
scott_harpell Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 They bolted 160 climbing anchors over one 400-square-foot area of rock jeeeeeezuuuuuus! Quote
catbirdseat Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 chalk is not a crime. In this case it was a crime. Quote
Doctorb Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 The big question is: what is a "velvet roadhog"? Quote
Bug Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 "Hey look at that pictograph. It must have been there a thousand years. Lets screw it up!" Frigin ignorant idiots. Quote
HRoark Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 chalk is not a crime. In this case it was a crime. Nowhere does it say that the chalk placed was against the law BEFORE the ban was put in place. Quote
lummox Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 chalk is not a crime. In this case it was a crime. Nowhere does it say that the chalk placed was against the law BEFORE the ban was put in place. i use magnesium carbonate as a dietary supplement. Quote
klenke Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 So, how would you go about bolting this route... This is the tightest crawl I ever did in a cave. It is in Skeleton Cave--one of the lava tubes near Bend, OR. Doctorb: velvet_roadhog is an avatar on this site (Pope perhaps?). He made a big splash by having no spine on his first few posts wherein I was immediately making fun of him. Quote
Dru Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 A moderator told me Dwayner was not banned but was just pretending he was as a protest Quote
mattp Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 The username "Dwayner" is currently on the "disabled" list. Quote
fern Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 the way it works is that banning and unbanning are done by the same person and the rest of us don't generally interfere. If this was not the way of things Dwayner would have been back a long time ago. Sorry Dwayner Quote
minx Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 with all due respect to pope and dwayner,their climbing accomplishments and knowledge, i am sooooooooo tired of this. anybody else? talk about beating a dead horse. come on pope, i'm sure you're capable of something new. why hit the same schtick over and over? Quote
scratchandsniff Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 You're all tempting the gods by supporting Dwayner. It's just a matter of time until somebody tweeks your posts or bans you too IMO. BTW, I support Dwayner too: Free Dwayner. Dwayner: is this your new site? www.weekendclimber.com Love ya buddy Quote
willstrickland Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 Somebody call a wahmbulance. This shit is mo played out than a $3 street hooker. Get yet another avatar or get over it. Quote
catbirdseat Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 I'd pay cash money for a bumpersticker like that one. Quote
willstrickland Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 Why dude? You can make one with a sharpie in about three seconds. Quote
Stefan Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 Some of the discussions just don't seem to be "discussions" without Dwayner. Quote
allthumbs Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 the whole subject is lame have a pickle (kosher, of course) Quote
Dru Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 But you can post Simmons pictures even without Dwayner! Quote
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