Jim Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 nope...it just represents the major supplier to the US, that's all. technology's basically the same. okay, visit a farm in Norway, or BC if you guys haven't deepsixed that industry entirely yet. Talk to the people that work on the facility. See what they really do. I've been to Puerto Montt and they don't do it any better there. You don't have to go that far to check out the nasty impacts. Talk to any WDFW biologist or go check out the net pens in Puget Sound. Talk to the researchers working on the declining wild runs in BC because of high density salmon farming disease and sea lice. Salmon farming in net pens (by far the most common use) sucks. You gotta feed the fish pellets and dye, they don't taste as good, and it screws up the environment. Stay away!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 It seems totally counterintuitive that anything farmed should be worse for the environment than taking wild creatures. There must be a way to farm salmon without harming the environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 I refuse to eat farm-raised for the reasons mentioned above. Plus, on a kayak trip in BC, I witnessed first-hand the stench and pollution emanating from these horror-shows. Dru's and Jim's posts pretty much sum it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 It seems totally counterintuitive that anything farmed should be worse for the environment than taking wild creatures. There must be a way to farm salmon without harming the environment. 1) salmon are carnivorous. what other carnivores do we successfully farm? 2) environmentally sound fish farming takes place: on land, with closed pens, and sewage treatment of waste, and fish that can eat vegetarian diets (eg. tilapia or catfish) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 It seems totally counterintuitive that anything farmed should be worse for the environment than taking wild creatures. There must be a way to farm salmon without harming the environment. 1) salmon are carnivorous. what other carnivores do we successfully farm? 2) environmentally sound fish farming takes place: on land, with closed pens, and sewage treatment of waste, and fish that can eat vegetarian diets (eg. tilapia or catfish) Exactly!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 Ban injun fishing and eat all the natural salmon you want. What a concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobBob Posted December 19, 2003 Author Share Posted December 19, 2003 the fact is that the world's industrial fisheries (menhaden, anchovies, etc.) are a global industry that existed before aquaculture bought a lot of its products (they still buy less than 50% of the world's fishmeal, I think), and will continue to exist if aquaculture disappeared tomorrow. The additional fishmeal would just go to the poultry and swine industry, etc. So the notion that eliminating salmon farming is going to keep more industrial fish in the oceans is misguided. The fishery exists, there are quotas for it, and it will be fished to its "legal limit." But I will agree that the farming of herbivorous fishes is more envonmentally friendly for a variety of reasons. Chinese carp are a huge percentage of world aquaculture, and another herbivorous fish. Catfish and tilapia are the herbivorous fish that we see in our markets. Non-herbivorous but on the rise: cod and tuna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 I think we should be developing pressurized tanks for farming anglerfish, orange roughy and giant squid! Oh wait, giant squid is nonedible due to ammonia content Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 robbob are you REALLY saying that if global demand for fishmeal drops by 50% there won't be a supply side reduction 9less fish-for fishmeal fishing) to keep prices high? where is your basic economics textbook? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobBob Posted December 19, 2003 Author Share Posted December 19, 2003 The Chinese would gobble it up. Since they are eating more meat, for instance, they have done a reversal from exporter to importer on soybeans. I don't believe it would be a blip in the fishmeal industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 if by non-PC you mean an insanely-great Mac I am all for it by the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 I drive a diesel with a standard transmission and I get 46 miles per gallon in mixed city/highway driving. Oh, and I use biodiesel when I can. Isn't she a beaut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 Here's my Non-PC new ride. anybody need a lift to Shuksan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 I saw one of those last night as we left the pub club in PDX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 nothing beats a hummer in the mountains Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fejas Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 if by non-PC you mean an insanely-great Mac I am all for it by the way Holly shit, It took you way longer than I had expected! I figured you'd boust about macs in like the 2-3rd post.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoboy Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 nothing beats a hummer in the mountains Oh, wait, maybe your're right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 my un PC goal for 2004, more hummers in the mountains! atlantic salmon, once they escape the farms and inhabit the nearby streams, it's goodbye native species as the atlantics take over the habitat, atlantic salmon return to spawn up to a half dozen times and are pernicious and disruptive in wild salmon habitat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 Hi Beck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott_J Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 Jesus H Christ I agree with fucking Preevert_chocolate on something. I am almost sick to my stomach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtguide Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 Don't forget to slap yr bitch around,wear white socks,chew snoose,belt your kids if they sass,and be sure your truck has one a' them "Horn broken,watch for finger" bumper stickers.Personally, I prefer "Get in;Sit Down;Shut up,and Hang On".And pull out your hogleg from it's holster banded to the steering column if they jump out of their car and run up to your window screaming at the next light. Quiets 'em down in big hurry.But I don't eat the farmed salmon,that shit's bad for you,bad for the wild salmon,and taste and quality just don't even begin to compare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 fuck farmed salmon. the shit's mushy and nasty and looks like ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott_J Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 Don't forget to slap yr bitch around,wear white socks,chew snoose,belt your kids if they sass,and be sure your truck has one a' them "Horn broken,watch for finger" bumper stickers.Personally, I prefer "Get in;Sit Down;Shut up,and Hang On".And pull out your hogleg from it's holster banded to the steering column if they jump out of their car and run up to your window screaming at the next light. Quiets 'em down in big hurry.But I don't eat the farmed salmon,that shit's bad for you,bad for the wild salmon,and taste and quality just don't even begin to compare. Holly shit MtGuide, you forgot truck balls. Here is the link. http://www.bullsballs.com/ or this site http://www.bumpernuts.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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