AlpineK

I believe the point is we have to start sometime. If we start trying to reduce our output now it wont hurt us or the environment as bad as if we wait to start. Also we should probably come to terms with the fact that petroleum is going to run out eventually. Why not start working on it before we have to.

Screw the place in CO. The skiing isn't that great there anyway. Try and find a place somewhere in BC...better skiing and cheaper. Patagonia sounds interesting.

I don't know brands, but real chains kick butt on those cable things.

Check it out

This is all pretty funny. Alpinfox might have seen the bolts, but he's not sure, and everyone else is just spraying about something they don't have any facts on. It would be refreshing to see someone post who has actual information...not that that is likely.

I am richer than Bill Gates. Just try and prove I'm not.

I finally got the stranger link to work for me. Makes sense to me. I'm still holding out for GW to be gang raped by 20 mules in Death Valley.

Despite your first post your other 4 posts make it looks like you do read, as you put it, trash newspapers... I'm also curious what's up with responding to yourself 4 times.

Yes, as part of the McBride traverse.

Poor Rudy If it makes you feel any better I was planning on going to Smith this weekend, but I'm a victim of the weather too.

CrazyJZ was once the victim of a practical joke perpitrated my myself and TFM (That Fucking Mallot. He doesn't post here but reads sometimes) TFM and I decided it would be fun to convince CJZ that I had a brain tumor. So on an April fools day at Index I slowly started acting more and more incoherent; while TFM told CJZ in hushed tones that he'd been talking to my parents and that they told him that I had a brain tumor and had about 6 months to live. Ultimately we ended up climbing the regular route at Rattletale wall with me complaining about a masive headache and passing out at the belay while TFM taunted me by yelling, "Quit fucking whining timmy tumor and lead your pitch." This is one of the only times I've seen CJZ shocked and speachless.

You need about 40 blue ringers or 20 liberty caps or two or 3 bayos.

You can eat the Aminita Musc. after some special treatment, but I can't help you with that. I used to have a lot of experience, but I haven't gone out picking for a while, so I'm not up on the best places anymore. One of the main distinguishing features is a sticky clear membrain on the top of the cap that stays intact briefly after you break the cap. Don't pick anything you are not really sure of There are some little brown mushrooms that don't get you high but do fuck up your kidneys.

FUCK YEAH Boston rules, Yanks suck....so do you Mr E.

Thanks Michael for taking the time to post your last response. Some of the other responses on this thread were confusing; it's nice to have the AF's position clearly explained.

That's some funny stuff. Modern television journalism is so suck. Every kind of television journalism in the US sucks. Just look at the Olympics; I'd rather watch the Canadian version on TV. Where the hell is Howard Cosell.

Quit whining and go to Australia.

I read in previous posts that you and or the WCC want to help resolve the issue so forgive me when I think that you are directly involved or at least have spent some time studying the issues. From my perspective I read that one side seems to like bolt on holds etc. and the other side is opposed to the practices. I also read how the WCC and the Access fund want to help negotiate a settlement based on the middle ground. To me that means that a negotiated solution would leave some bolt on holds and some bolted cracks; either that or there are other issues not mentioned in the posts that could be used while negotiating. I was just asking questions and they weren't only dirrected at you. I would hope you or whoever does help negotiate does have a firm grasp on the issues.

I don't climb there true, but I have spent a bit of time climbing at Mini, so I'm not totaly unfamilier with the region. I don't think I'm saying anything radical by saying that bolt on holds are unacceptable on real rock. I'd even be willing to bet a large amount of money that at least 95% of the current Spokane area climbers don't find bolt on holds acceptable. My personal perspective is that allowing any bolt on holds to remain at a climbing area sets a very bad presidence for other areas which I do climb at on a regular basis. I also feel that the whole issue of bolting next to cracks caries over to other areas of the state. This spring I climbed a route in the Icicle with blatant crack bolting. I would hope that there is only a very small amount of negotiating room on this subject, and I'd like to see this subject debated in other areas of the state. My original question, which you've avoided, is what are the issues that are to be negotiated. I don't expect an official position posted by you or anyone else, but I'm curious where there is going to be give and take since I don't see much room for that in the other 4 issues.

My favorite part is when Kim Jong Ill sings, "I'm so Ronery." I'm pretty sure I'm a dick FW.

I can understand that due to prior personal conflicts some of you folks may not be able to deal with Dane, but I am curious what it is you want to negotiate. Bolt on holds outside of a man made structure like a gym are clearly wrong. All of the bolt on holds should be removed and not come back. Chipping is also clearly wrong. I don't see any remedy for what's happened, but nobody should do any future chipping. In general crack bolting is clearly wrong...given reasonabe placements. You may have some negotiating room if some of the cracks are knifeblade seams or expanding flakes, but that's all the negotiating I can see. You might get a new guy to talk to, but I don't think you can get or deserve a different outcome. I also wonder what MattP and AndyF mean by negotiating a solution. Are you saying that you're going to leave some of the bolt on hold routes intact? I couldn't support that. I can't imagine any but a very small minority finding that acceptable.

Fuck Yeah I'm a little disapointed it wasn't as disgusting as Meet the Feebles but it's well worth seeing.

I'm sorry to hear you're so bitter about winter Rudy. Maybe you should ditch things and head to Australia. It's spring down there right now.