AlpineK

Um...let's all take a deap breath and try and relax.

I could go on, but instead I'll just repeat what RuMR said.

You may have hit on something there. Cracked needs to ski in the summer a lot cause when there are lots of skiers out in the winter people laugh at him.

Poor Don's been using bullying tactics for 3 years when it comes to bolting debates and now hes all because I and others call him on it. boo fucking hoo Just be honest with people here. You don't want to resolve or debate anything you just want to spew.

At least your not posting your stupid photos. Too bad you choose to respond in the unreadable MtGoat fashion. I don't think I need to know in detail what you've been doing recently to say that you don't climb much. If you did climb a lot you be either out doing it and not posting here or you post trip reports or participate in other climbing related threads that don't have anything to do with bolting. I do remember seeing you a lot at Index in the early 90's. Every time I'd walk by the lower wall you'd be solo aiding City Park. You didn't seem to have much issues with the bolt ladder at the bottom. Anyway please answer the questions. Have you ever directly contacted folks who are out setting bolted routes? Have you ever convinced one of those route setters to not put up a route?

Indian dot or Indian feathers

If somebody I knew was dumping trash in my neighborhood. I would first ask them not to, and if they then continued I'd call the cops since it's a crime. What I would not do is go onto a civic internet board equivilant of CC.com and whine about it.

Well armed

Don you are so easy to troll it's like shooting fish in a barrel. For years you have either explicitly or implicitly stated on cc that sport climbing and sport climbers are gay. Let me edjucate you a little. When you start a debate like you always do you close off any real discussion. In my view you aren't looking for a debate; your just looking for a lecturn and a mass audience to spout your views to. If you really cared about the issue you'd be writing letters to the Access Fund or to the folks who are actually putting up the routes you profess to hate. I know you don't climb much anymore, so let me clue you in to modern climbing. If you climb a lot now a days then you climb both sport and trad. Both forms of climbing are challenging in their own way. Look around the world of climbing some of the best sport climbers can crank some hard cracks when they want to. I'll agree with the point that climbers shouldn't leave their draws on a climb for long periods of time both from the view of aesthetics and also from a view of safety...all that uv radiation weakens the draws over time. What I don't agree with is your bluster and bs. Tell me have you ever actually convinced anyone who sets routes that they are wrong and that they should stop? Let me answer that for you... No BTW it's Kurt

No shit. I might agree with some of Don's points, but he's such a jerk about how he represents himself that I wouldn't even bother to listen to his oppinion let alone debate him. By the way Don how's that training going? When are you going to climb a 5.13? I'm still willing to pay you.

Well he isn't going to be a branch manager for long if doesn't drag some more brush. It's been 2 days and all he's done is move 1 limb.

Let him learn the hard way. That's what we used to do in the pre internet days. Go for it Gary...bring a summer bag it'll be great.

"It's 40 bellow but I don't give a fuck, got a heater in my truck and I'm off to the rodeo." Sorry no Smith for me.

Gary could be the "Branch Manager." Yes he could. I'm sorry to say that one's been thought of years ago.

Sorry I ment QC.

QS?? am I right or am I right.

Dude, that's not Paul, you can see the background. Well those aren't freshiez in the picture...more like sloppy seconds.

With that attitude you don't get a job.

Yes they are for real. You should sign up for a class. Don't forget to bring a smoke machine.

If it's raining on you it'll be snowing on me.

If you can keep that up for 8 hours I might give you a job.

May you spend all November trying to rock climb in a nice 38 degree rain.

Exacly....ski to spray.

I mostly voted for Muffy cause she's cuter.

Yeah Kennedy isn't a quitter.