AlpineK

Hey welcome to the site. By any chance do you know crazyjz...that dude's crazy.

The Yard Sale: Subject: Lambone's gear for sale Lambone doesn't need his gear anymore; he's dead. California: Subject: Mt Shasta Lambone's body found in the crater That's all I can remember. They all used to be in the garbage can forum (mods only ) but I can't find them any more.

Ray did it. The subject of his hate was Lambone, and it wasn't because of any mod related thing that Lambone did. PS He did it durring the middle of the day without any fancy pants computer script...just rage.

How are those new rose colored glasses.

I do, thanks for asking.

I don't care; I just hadn't paused to laugh at you for a while.

He married his sister and moved to a compound in the Skagit valley where he is currently trying to spawn with fish.

Jizzy, as per usual you have your head up your ass. In the first place I agree that there is a higher population density here than in BC. That means that there is going to be more pressure on whatever recreational areas we do have. More pressure means more use, and that means more abuse. We as users should try and promote things that minimize our impact on the natural resources that we use. My view is that a hut in a highly used area would minimize the impact that all of us have on the resource. In general I would say that the potential for abuse is greatest in alpine regions. The soil is thinner, the growing season shorter, and the higher up you go the more uv rays there are that kill the microbes that facilitate the decomposition of human waste. If we concentrate the footprint of the area we're fucking up and we take measures to do things like haul out human waste we've greatly reduced our impact on the areas we love to visit. Secondly one of your biggest fuckups in logic is to state that being for a hut is the same as being for a strip mine or a Hooters bar in the alpine. Just how do you figure that. You do a lot of construction; therefore you must be aware that citys have these things called zoning regulations. It's alright for somebody to build a new house down the street from me, but it wouldn't be alright for somebody to build a Hooters, or a cement plant in that same location. Huts on the Canadian model are far from a development equivalent to a strip mall or a hotel. I think if you carefully read the thread nobody is advocating a grid of huts in the Cascades. The biggest number stated is 2, but lets say it's 7...that still leaves a lot of wild land out there. You also fail to distinguish between impacts. For example a helicopter's impact is primarily noise; whereas a hut without a generator (which is what we're talking about) has an impact that is primarily visual. True the hut will attract more people, but once again you vastly overstate your case by equating the increase in numbers to what a road over Cascade Pass would do. Lastly wilderness needs to be wild, but there need to be people who will actively support and defend our natural areas from real development. What you want is somewhere inbetween the zero human use of the ecofreaks and a road with a McDonalds at Cascade pass and outlet malls down Thunder Creek. In conclusion I'd like to say that apart from a couple huts I'd like to see CJZ gang raped by the Borax 20 mule team.

That's so sweet of you.

Hey CBS...Bite me

I agree that white out is by far the worst problem you'll face. In good weather you can do the hike to Muir with no problem; all you have to do is be in good cv shape. If the clouds role in navagation is fairly hard. Muir gets used a lot, so as Dru notes there is the potential for lots of nasty stuff in the snow you might melt for water, however if you are going to Muir as a day trip you shouldn't have a problem carying enough water for yourself.

With a bunch of snow on top of the upper east ledges slabs I bet it could suck pretty hard, but if this is the case you'd also be hiking miles through snow on the other routes.

Red: Pine and Post $6/bottle White: I don't drink white wine that shit is gross.

I'm ready to bring down civilization. Lets fuck shit up!

I think you need to contact the logger and ask him about naming. Maybe he wants to call it Mt. Schmidt after his favorite beer.

TR Skied out of bounds and didn't avoid avalanches. Sunday I took a nap then finished my taxes.

I was thinking about Eightmile lake. They've got the road gated at Bridge Creek still, but it's over a mile to solid snow.

Thanks, Like I said I don't recommend seeking stuff like that out, but close doesn't count, and I've come a lot closer in the past.

Shouldn't the first ascent go to the logger that cut down that tree? I think so.

Climb: Two days around Leavenworth-Eightmile Lake and summit above White Pine Creek Date of Climb: 4/14/2006 Trip Report: Kellie M and I got in a couple days of bc skiing on Friday and Saturday. There were avy warnings posted, but we managed to find some skiing and stay away mostly from avalanches though not completely. Friday morning there was heavy rain and snow as we drove over Stevens Pass, but it was only a light mist in Leavenworth. Originally we were going into Colchuck Lake, but the forecast put an end to that. The next plan was skiing on Cannon Mountain glades, but as it turned out the lower part of Cannon Mtn was melted out. We then decided to ski up to Eightmile Lake and look for some turns up towards Windy Pass. The ski up to the lake was much less than inspiring. All the south facing slopes were melted out and covered with blowdowns, but we kept on going. Also to add insult the snowpack was warm and rotten. We got up near Little Eightmile Lake and then started skiing the slopes up towards Lake Caroline. There were still a lot of things poking up out of the snow, but conditions looked slightly better. Up higher there was even a little new snow, but the base was still pure rot. Eventually we got up to the Saddle above the lake, but it was getting on in the day and we were starting to ski into the storm clouds, so we decided to ski down. Skiing was interesting in the deep mush; I found that the best technique was leaning way back. All in all the conditions were pretty darn crappy, but it never rained and it sure beat work. On Saturday we got Rat to come skiing with us. He suggested a peak above White Pine Creek; I'd never skied there, but I'd looked at it a bunch of times from the highway. We got up early and drove as far as we could up White Pine Creek. We skinned up the road for a ways and then cut up through a clearcut doing a little brushwhacking on skis. This brought up to a logging road which we followed for a ways to a partial cut. From here on the slope went steeply up the cut we climbed up and up, rejoined the road briefly then continued up through glades. Beyond the upper end of the road we got into some new snow. At first it was only half an inch, but as we got to the ridge crest the depth was 10" in places. The upper ridge was wind blown. We had an interesting time navigating up through the steps in the ridge. At one point Rat was cutting his way through one steep bit when the slab he was on gave way. He came down with the snow and ended up right at my feet. He got back up and pulled and cut his way up the newly scoured step. Anyway we got up to the summit, but we'd been warned that all the cool avy slopes below us were bad news this day. We were in the clouds at the summit, so we quickly took our skins off and started skiing back down the ridge crest. Eventually we got to a point where we were just above the glades where we were confident in safe skiing. It was at this point that I let my guard down and did something dumb. I thought I saw a line where I could make a couple turns then do a short traverse on a steep slope just under the ridge crest and then end up in the glades. Things went fine for the first few turns, but on my cut under a small cornice I heard a crack and then the shit hit the fan. As it turned out I set off a slab with about a 6 to 10" crown. I fell and came out of one ski and then things went into slow motion (at least from my perspective). I was falling with the slab, but I remembered a previous experience in the same conditions where I had jammed my hands and feet through the moving slab and arrested on the solid layer underneath. I did just that. I dove under the slab and stuck my arms and one free foot into the stable snowpack. I was able to resist the push of the small section of slab above me, and I came to a stop. I watched the slab roar downslope and crash through some small trees below. After that I spent a little time collecting myself. Rat was directly above me on the ridge and Kelly had stopped in some trees above him. I still use safety straps on my skis, so thanks to that I didn't loose the ski I released from; in fact I hadn't lost any thing. Rat yelled something about getting off that slope; which I couldn't have agreed more with. I dusted myself off then took my skis off and booted straight up the slope. After handing my skis to Rat I cut a wedge out of the cornice and pulled myself up onto the ridgecrest. Kelly skied a safe traverse over to us then the excitement was over. From here on out it was all about fun skiing. We had a nice run down through the glades. Below the first intersection with the road there was a breakable crust, but it wasn't too bad. We ended up back at the car around 2:30 and celebrated an exciting experience that was short of physical trauma with doughnuts and Sparks. As I said before I've had the same thing happen to me 8 years previously. Both times I managed to arrest on the solid layer under the moving slab and fall no more that 30' total. Never the less I don't recommend this kind of behavior. It's better to not get involved in the first place. Both times there had been a spring snowpack with a late winter snowfall on top of it. I guess it easy to let your guard down when you think the winter slab avalanches are over for the season. Anyway be careful. Approach Notes: The snow down low is melting fast around HWY 2. Skiing is going to require a lot of gear packing within 2 weeks with good weather.

We did some walking on a road on Friday, but we did that in running shoes. When we got to the snow we put AT boots on. Give it a try next time.

Once again you blow things way out of proportion. We're talking about a simple hut with bunks foamies and maybe a coleman stove, with an outhouse nearby. Would you support the plan if the hut had a private room that you could rent by the hour after you'd been out roping goats?

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Ok lets put some more cards on the table. Jizzy has spent a few nights at the Tantulus hut and loved it he also tried to climb Mt Kenya where he stayed at a couple huts. I submit that CJZ is a NIMBY motherfucker.