ClimbingPanther

Too much attention is being given the gay issue by Christians. Yeah, the Bible speaks out against it, but that's true of a lot of things. Would your average Christian be for a constitutional amendment against being overweight? HA!!! But few people, Christian or otherwise, hesitate to agree that laws against murder are a good thing. I guess it boils down to the philosophy of law. Where should the line be drawn between things you consider morally wrong and must be legislated against, and things you consider morally wrong but will leave for each person to decide individually?

I wish people would stop making the false association of these people with Christianity. To make a statement like "God Hates Fags" is so anti-Christian, it's really not funny. It's people who hate "fags." It makes me sick to see the name of God dragged through the mud like that. Terrible things have been said and done in the name of everything under the sun, including atheism (China, anyone?). The mere fact that something bad was done in the name of a cause does not necessarily render the cause or its people bad so please don't make that jump.

Thanks for the name, they are indeed BDV's. I like em. Whatever anyone thinks about the make & model, the main point is the fabric. Schoeller 's

I don't recall reading that thread, but recently the tone doesn't seem to be a bashing tone. There will be a few troublemakers no matter what the subject but I don't feel ostracized or hated and most of the regulars know I am a Christian. Most here are mature enough to separate whatever bad experiences they've had with "Christians" or religious people in general from an individual, and interact with them like adults. I have been very happy with how people treat me and hopefully others feel the same way about how I treat them.

Heil Cheney!

was it wearing a cape?

People in authority tend to flex their muscle whenever preventable deaths are concerned. It's about protecting those who aren't old enough to make their own decisions from parental laziness/stupidity/whatever. This is a good thing.

I don't know the exact name of mine, but they're Black Diamond with Schoeller fabric and they're super minimal. I love them like I've loved no other article of clothing. A single zip back pocket, two side pockets, and that is it for features. Got them at Mountain Gear on sale (clearance, possibly). The schoeller shell over long underwear has the most remarkable climate control properties. I'm never too warm, too sweaty, or too cold, unless I stop for a really long time.

Oh come on, Dru, use your head. Go for the win-win situation: Kevbone vs. Pink!

One of my friends was up there a week ago, I think (not exactly sure on the time), and he said it wasn't that good. "Weeping" was the operative word. Agree, probably not worth the drive (not just trying to keep it for myself or anything )

Well done.

I meant the guy who owned the sling, that he wanted to spread rumors about dyneema to make nylon look better. It was a poorly stated joke. I have thought "sabotage" all along on this one.

Nice work finding their report! Thanks. That guy probably works in the nylon industry

Boy, you can't make fun of anybody these days. Not even fast food workers are safe!

"He's on fire!" -posted as proxy for NBA Jam

Funny, an article just came out in this morning's paper. Seems that area temperatures were an average of 3 degrees F below normal in January! That's including one record-setting high early in the month. How was the west side? Sorry about the excessive picture posting, I just got a case of kevbonitis and became excessively fond of that one

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Does anyone know how this January measures up to history, temperature-wise? Tri-cities temps have spent almost no time above freezing all month, which is very abnormal for this area. I have long sought a good weather history page to check out stuff like this, but to no avail. The weatherman on TV can get history stuff, so I know it's out there. Anybody know a good link?

I think I've seen some GPS info on the Paradise to Muir section posted by Mike Gauthier either in an old thread here (use the search engine) or somewhere on his Rainier blog page, www.mountrainierclimbing.blogspot.com link anyone? In all likelihood, the 1' wide and variable depth trail to the top should be enough to get you there in a whiteout, as long as you don't go too early in the season

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not saying anything about creation or evolution here, but just a word of caution about scientific literature. Peer-review does not indicate infallibility, even in the highest level journals. Recall the S. Korean stem cell scientist who fabricated data in an already controversial subject area, and it made it in to Science! I don't know whether anything about cold fusion was ever published in peer-reviewed journals, but that could be another example of phony data. And that's just data, the most likely part of an article to be true. Conclusions about the data are even more open to fallacy. Anything new and revolutionary should be taken with a healthy dose of open-minded skepticism. This especially relates to the creationist-themed article on carbon dating, which may not even be peer-reviewed.

Maybe if this was in spray it would get more responses on a Friday afternoon... I'll be happy if you just take a sec to post the make & model of your current pair(s) of climbing gloves & whether or not you'd buy them again

Mostly I guess I want to know if anyone has one special combo that they can bring regardless of what they're doing in the winter and be relatively happy. That's what I do anyway but before I buy something new (my old gloves are cracking) I just wanted a feel for what people are happy with. If I'm going to drop $100 or so on something new, I want to get the most out of it, plus as a weight concern, I'd rather not ever carry two sets of gloves/mittens.

I am in the market for a better all-purpose glove system and want the most useful and widely adaptable combination of liner/shell. My current thoughts are an outer mitten, such as the OR Latitude or similar shell mitt, for warmth when the temps dip towards zero. The inner will ideally be a glove so I can take off the mitt and get dexterity without exposing my hand. For the inner glove, I am wondering if a Windstopper might be the best option instead of a generic fleece liner for warmth and usefulness without the mitt. The main idea is to cover the widest variety of temps & weather conditions and only need a single shell/liner combo. What are some of your systems and why do you think it's the best?