ClimbingPanther

So you're saying you voted Republican?

Good food for thought Arch. "Apparent" is an important word there. The conflict is either apparent because it is there yet the conflicted person has not given enough critical thought to see it, OR it is apparent because the observer either does not understand or give the same weight to the reasons behind taking two "apparently" conflicting viewpoints. One of these cases is always true, and we should be careful not to confuse ignorance with acceptable differences of opinion. Not accusing anybody here, but I'd love to hear some opinions from someone who would honestly take the stand I previously stated.

So you're saying before this morning, Olyclimber was not included in "everyone?" You dehumanizing dog, you!

I think it's fascinating how many of the same people (surely not everyone though) who speak out against this sort of relatively minor parental determinism are advocates of the ultimate parental choice, whether or not the child will live to see its birthday.

True, they mention a couple of ways to mess around, one by parental choice during pregnancy, but also another which made previously gay rams attracted to females. I was referring to the latter, but the former does indeed pose concern.

Yeah, and I think "disease" has got to be one of the most overused and misused terms in recent history. So many minority behaviors are labeled as a disease these days. What is the definition of a disease, anyway? On another line of thought, why aren't outspoken homosexuals praising a possible new method for choosing what they want to be? If biology dictates their sexual orientation, like it clearly (usually ) does their gender, why speak out to prevent a new choice from being developed? Transgenders surely grasp the importance of these findings.

Interesting stuff. Doubt it will have a large implication for human behavior though, since human relationships are so complex. I wouldn't get too worked up about "ethics" until people start experimenting on humans. We have been manipulating animals by selective breeding for millenia, so this isn't some new-fangled ethical crisis of the century.

I'm not even sure if I said my first name, but it's Dave. We had a Mike, Greg, and Nate also. Congrats on your climb too!

So if P-->Q, then ~Q-->~P Therefore, if you do need to know who the Nodder is, you have to ask. Oly, did the Nodder visit you in your dreams, like an angel or something?

Yes, do tell! Did you learn here? http://www.tv.com/wodehouse-playhouse/the-nodder/episode/192125/summary.html Quote from link... "Tonight's story, The Nodder, set in the Hollywood of 1928, tears the tinsel from The Boulevard of Broken Dreams to reveal the simple story of a boy and girl - and a gorilla... Mabel Ridgway, an expert bird imitator, agrees to marry fellow Hollywood studio employee Wilmot Mulliner on the condition that Wilmot, the ultimate yes-man, proves he is a Real Man. When a scary looking gorilla gets loose on the film lot, Wilmot is put to the test." or? www.eBay.com Sponsored Link Looking for Nodder? Find exactly what you want today.

Does anyone else find Duke University's actions regarding their students disturbing? Guilty until proven innocent, in effect. Regardless of the charges and evidence brought against the kids, why would Duke treat these guys like criminals until they're convicted of a crime, as well as cancelling the lacrosse season and likely forcing the resignation of the lacrosse coach? Did Duke students sign a contract about not drinking alcohol and not hiring strippers? Duke screwed up a lot of lives over something that's being found out to be a big unfunny joke.

Trip: Hood - Old Chute Date: 12/31/2006 Trip Report: Short and sweet, since that also sums up the "technical" climbing... Weather & avy forecasts golden, so we set out at 4 am from T-line w/ 4 people, but one turned back halfway b/c crampon problems. Had my very first field encounter of a fellow cascadeclimber, OlegV. He was a very pleasant fellow, and they were doing Reid HW (TR? I'm waiting!). Snow conditions were cake the whole way up and back! No postholing, except down real low if you strayed from the groomed stuff. Heard of the ice cliff reports on the Pearly Gates, so we did the Old Chute instead since one member was less experienced in that aspect. We saw a guy ahead of us who did the Pearly Gates w/ one tool and one axe (!), solo (!!), and w/o a helmet (!!!). Whatever. Old Chute is the easy way up right now. You can see the tracks leading left from the Hogsback in the picture below, and you just go up directly to the summit ridge and traverse right towards the summit on the ridge. All I can say is Winter conditions are the most beautiful. Illumination Rock in a wind tunnel? Coming down the route Sweet-ice formations Hogsback area, showing one of two guys we passed on our way down Mediocre pics of the gates. Yeah, that's the soloist. Gear Notes: 'pons & axe Approach Notes: boring and dark

Agreed that April is a good call. Keep in mind that the Pearly Gates is an ice cliff right now. Don't know how much the ice-cliff action will change over the winter, but be sure to check out reports just before you climb. Learn a bit about the options for variation from Crater Rock to the summit to give yourself the best chance at success.

I was on the summit of Hood on Dec 31 because I do everything I say I am going to do, and from my perspective, I believe my camera zoomed in on a speck which could have been Arc, though this is only my humble speculation. He seemed to be making good progress around noon. Of course, there could have been a rock in the snow that I was mistaking for a person. That dang 6x optical zoom from 100+ miles away just wasn't enough to be sure.

As I read through this, I was hoping to read more about some of these amazing "options" people knew about for dealing *effectively* with violence... I say live and let kill. Hmmm, that just doesn't have the same ring to it.

Never underestimate what I am capable of feigning... Mr. Layton made this mistake, not that you can fault the victim http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=21&Number=619953&Searchpage=1&Main=47064&Words=onion&topic=0&Search=true#Post619953 I will fess to not seeing you pay much heed to any of the Hood sprayers, and this guy just got some special lovin from you, so I wondered. Forgive and forget?

Absolutely no offense meant, billbob, but this was a jewel!

Moderately Moderate Moderators Moderating other Moderates in Moderation and Moderateness Wow, this is so pointless I'm fearful of being moderated. oh no... Moderately Moderate Moderators Moderating other Moderated Moderates in Moderation and Moderateness

AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH

Of course not, I am too moderate to need moderation. Just a deep thought on a Friday afternoon, nothing more. SHOOT! I missed a form of the word! Try this: Moderate Moderators Moderating other Moderates in Moderation

Say it five times fast. Does using profanity give you a unibrow? Deep thoughts for a Friday afternoon.

Here's one related thought I have been having which MAY actually have some value for people: http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/627445/Main/627445/#Post627445 Knowing what we know now, how much fuel would have been necessary to keep the single person in a snow cave alive for a whole week up there, or could fuel have even made a difference? Is a week's fuel a reasonable burden to carry?

If there is one lesson I'm taking away from the Hood tragedy, it's that extra fuel doesn't weight much but could save your life. The capability to make hot water from the snow around you keeps you hydrated and warms you up, and it doesn't weight much for the possible benefit it can give you. My question to those who have spent at least several days in an alpine environment with snow-melting as the only source of water: What volume/weight of white gas fuel (or # of canisters) is necessary to sustain you on a per person/per day basis? Fuel has always been guesswork and luck for me.

All this has got me thinking about the philosophy of summitting. I just keep thinking about how you have to believe you can do it, no matter what stands in your way. Oly, you really remind me of Luke Skywalker, not Yoda. Remember when Luke was trying to get his X-wing fighter craft out of the swamp, and couldn't do it, then Yoda did it for him? And Luke said "I don't believe it!" And Yoda said "That is why you failed." OK, talk amongst yourselves now.

Boots: La Sportiva Trango series. Depending on what season you will use them in, you may want to go with one of the insulated versions. Best all-around boot you can buy, in my opinion of course.