olyclimber

Heres a news flash for you dru: Don't Climb on Da Arch!

ya...funny! don't you love pissing off the people who can decide whether you can climb in a particular area or not? so he gets off, and all of us get to deal with more restrictively worded regulations as well as a black eye for climbers in general over the press on this. looks like we're all winners!

i would never ask you to Kix. That would be like boiling the ocean.

your lack of faith disturbs me. There is a lot of helpful information here ol' chap, though it can be served up with a nice dose of flavor. perhaps some of the updates the other admins and I are working on will address that somewhat for you. but pimping this other site, how could you?

or....he could post about them here.

HEY ALPINFOX!!!!! You need to delete! "This user has exceeded their private message quota and may not receive any new private messages."

excellent. we can spend the rest of the day analysing your picture, mistere. will you do a gear review on those biners hanging on your wall? i've seen those at REI...seems like you could save a lot of wieght on your rack if you went purely with them.

What grade? Unplanned bivies?

who is he whoring for? will we have to wait to see the pics in the next patagonia catalogue? damn, this is up there with any of the accomplishments this board has seen.

If he shows up!!! He might be off climbing the NR of Baker with no ice screws or something.

how old is your boy? that would help to match him up with another squirt.

wow...that would have been something to watch!!! Was the gear pre-placed? <never mind, read Rumrs post above> Awesome. Wish I could have watched it in a lawn chair drinking a beer.

wow. impressive...did he work on it for a while, or was it an onsite?

It wouldn't be an FA Hmmmm...I wonder...what sort of pictures are in this book?

perhaps you're driving by one of those lasik centers.

"sue age" I like it. Sue everybody!

w00t!

It would seem that this is a classic case of someone repeatedly pissing off the land manager which results in changes in law that further restrict all of us. I don't know that there were not others that helped encourage the land manager to update the rules, but the provisions by which the law is enforced allow the land manager (in this case, Joss?) to update/set the rules. Here is Title 36 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), Part 1, Section 1.5(a)(1) that is referred to. § 1.5 Closures and public use limits. (a) Consistent with applicable legislation and Federal administrative policies, and based upon a determination that such action is necessary for the maintenance of public health and safety, protection of environmental or scenic values, protection of natural or cultural resources, aid to scientific research, implementation of management responsibilities, equitable allocation and use of facilities, or the avoidance of conflict among visitor use activities, the superintendent may: (1) Establish, for all or a portion of a park area, a reasonable schedule of visiting hours, impose public use limits, or close all or a portion of a park area to all public use or to a specific use or activity.

or your Gulliver.

the last dude to light a fire up there paid for it... http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B07E7DB153DF931A35751C0A9649C8B63

right, then perhaps the language on the website is brand new, post-The Dean Potter Incident ....they should call them the Dean Potter Rules in his honor. There goes my plan for slacking in the Arches this fall!!

I believe it was (closed permanently). With the language posted on the Arches NPS website (assuming that it wasn't updated post-this incident), it is clearly against da Toolz Rulz. "The intent of our [regulations] is that all named arches are closed to climbing," Joss said. "If the compendium is found not to be sufficient, we will work with our solicitor posthaste to put a closure on Delicate Arch immediately." Sounds like she is just saying that if the language above is not clear enough (seems to be to me), then they will probably update it...undoubtedly with consequences listed if you break da Toolz Rulz.

Of course by "climbing" they must mean climbing upward with a rope , they certainly can't mean highball bouldering and then decending with a rope whilst being filmed in hi-def for IMMEDIATE RELEASE.

Damn, you're right will...there it is. Seems pretty unambigious to me: http://www.nps.gov/arch/climb.htm Climbing The rock at Arches offers excellent climbing opportunities, despite its sandy nature. Most climbing routes in the park require advanced techniques. Permits are not required, unless the trip involves an overnight stay in the backcountry. It the responsibility of all climbers to know and obey park regulations and route closures. Rock climbing guides to Arches and the surrounding area are available at the visitor center and through the bookstore. Regulations 1. Use of motorized drills is prohibited. 2. Climbing is prohibited on any arch identified on current USGS 7.5 minute topographical maps; on Balanced Rock year-round; on Bubo from January 1st to June 30th; on Industrial Disease on the Devil Dog Spire from January 1st to June 30th. 3. The use of chalk for climbing must be of a color which blends with the native rock. 4. Climbers are encouraged to employ clean-climbing ethics, leave dull-colored webbing when recovery is impossible, and access climbing routes via established trails, slickrock or sandy washes.

It says he didnt beleive it was illegal.. Then doesnt joss go one to say if there is a misunderstanig in the way the law is written they will change it.. sounds like it was all a big misunderstanding.. true, probably not "prosecutable" illegal... but it will be shortly. was potter blissfully unaware that his actions might have repercussions that might screw us all in relation to climbing access?