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There are parts of this country that are not obvious unless you go there, where extreme inequities and serious poverty still exists, Katrina showed some of that. I travelled through No/So Carolina in the 80's and there were still black indentured sevents living in slave camps - I kid you not. You can say "this generation is better of than previous" etc, but that doesn't stop violent revolutions from occurring when vast inequities exist. Income is one of the ways we measure those inequities and it is an important way to mearsure that IMO. It is the inequities that are often the sparks of change - good and or bad. Yes I have better "cleaner" food than my Dad did, but I also can't buy my way out of a criminal conviction, or buy my way to the best health care available the way many wealthy folks can. Too much inequity is bad for our society, period.

No, Jays post is an elitest argument that is designed to distract from the real issues. If you don't think there is a real, actually true underclass (hidden) in our society then you need to get on your tivo and check out the New Orleans Hurricane aftermath. As hard as it may be for your little brain to figure out, things "arn't all better" soly because of rich guys, working folks built the middle class and that constant is under great threat from the freemarket neofacist mentality that seems to be on the rise these days. Kiss me first sweety, I might even give you a drink if youre thirsty.

Hey Ass clown, Save your cute names for a personal meeting sometime , then we'll see ok? BTW, My Father worked in a factory (back when 'Merika still made stuff as opposed to "outsourced") raised a family of 6, had a 6 bedroom home, had a boat ("boot" in Canadian), an airplane, good health insurance and a good pension (not a 401k). Shit changes, I know, but try doing that much today. Next time though, that you drive down a well maintained street with little pink houses and picket fences take note and say to your self "I am so grateful for that era and for unions, and for the working middle class. I am so grateful that "Merika is not a freemarket fascist state because this nice middle class neighborhood that I am driving through may well be a very dangerous place for somweone like me if things were otherwise. And say to youself, "I am so greatful to have the oporunity to vote for a guy like Obama who will gain worldwide respect, close the inequities in this potentially great society and will help all the rest of us continue to prosper. On second thought, just be grateful for the right reasons you pig.

Us lowly working class folk are oh so grateful that Walmart CEO Mista "H".Lee Scott got his $22,000,000 stock bonus, he worked so hard for it bless his heart! If not for him (Bossman Mr. H and his great generosity) we lowly folk would have record levels of debt, be in danger of foreclosure and could not afford our crappy fake health insurance. An I sho knows I don't need no real income to buy a house. Shoot, I aint got no business tryin to live in Seattle any how. I know my place. I thanks ya fo settin me straight Mista Bossman Jay!

guilty conscience?

Federline Charms Hilton Boys, we've all been here before and we know what's ahead...so... Who will win?

Whoa! I licked some frogs last night Freaky shit...man Im tellin you TV may be going all digital in 2009!

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I check on him from time to time, last 90 days have been kind of slow, hope the worst is over. Hang in there Erden, keep the life jacket close at hand!

Dooooood.... ...aid?

"...Although origin myths are usually assigned to the province of religion, they contain one element of science: explanation. While moral lessons may be scattered here and there throughout them, origin myths are basically ways of accounting for things as they are. Explanation, then, is not unique to nor did it begin with science. Science shares explanation with mythology. What distinguishes science from mythology is verification. Not only does science propose answers, it proceeds to test these answers, and if the answers prove incorrect, they must be rejected or modified. Mythology differs from this. An origin myth offers an explanation that is to be believed. Acceptance, not verification, is what is called for. Ancient Norsemen believed the aurora borealis (Northern Lights) were reflections of light off the shields of the warrior maidens the Valkyrie; modern astronomers tell us they are caused by solar winds interacting with the earth’s magnetic field and atmospheric gases. Both are explanations, but only one of these explanations can be verified. What is explanation? At bottom, it amounts to translating the unknown into the known, the unfamiliar into the familiar. And what do human beings know best? Themselves. They know how people think and feel and act. And from a very early stage of culture, people have projected human thoughts and emotions into the external world, endowing objects and forces of nature with human personality and greater-than-human power. The personalized supernatural beings thus created were assigned the role of providing plausible and satisfying explanations for the unknown. In this way, origin myths were born..." link Thus it is WE WHO HAVE CREATED ideas like Gods and God-men type thingy's to explain (via another embedded psychological bias we hold so dear, namely "causation" or "causality") how ourselves and all this complexity came to be. I am obviously not the first to say it but, "God" did not create us, we created "God" in our own image. Having said that, as to things "outside of this universe" (or "prior to" its existence if there were/is such) you or I are completely free to speculate about its nature including a God thingy if you/we want to. We can rightfully claim to put our faith there as well, maybe it is justified, maybe not. However, in as much as all that can possibly be verified lies within the physical laws of nature, it is now and forever will be but physics and the practice of science that rules our particular universe. There I have killed this thread as well, now go dig a snow pit - somewhere safe.

premarital sex is my religion

You know, come to think of it, those guys on Hood last year were really into Jesus.. never mind...just speculating

Yes they have found Kirk today (news reported) - bad start to the season. I think the worse ever for the whole season was like 7 ? so you can see what the current pace is. Condolences to all family and friends. Trempers book is very good and I also highly recommend it! Here is a link to local (Puget sound area) classes (I hope its current) --> http://www.avalanchesafety.org/ Gary Brill is definitely the man around Seattle if you can catch him (see the link above, or maybe call REI). For those who would like to, here's a link for creating temperature and precipitation plots for Western Washington----> http://www-k12.atmos.washington.edu/k12/grayskies/nw_wx_climate.html

Thnx a lot.. You heathens have RUINED CHRISTMAS!

We've have had colder than average temps - from around Dec 6th to the 15th, after the rain crust formed In early Dec - which has built surface hoar and some weak snow into the snowpack. Then we got some "heavy" dump on top the weakness. This year is making a strong case for why you should watch the seasonal WX/Temperature trends as well as the daily forecast - that is if you want to find those hidden weaknesses that could bite you. The Cascade snowpack right now IMO is more dangerous and is not your typical "Cascade" snowpack - if there were such a thing.

#77) "Ballard Stop Lights" When the light turns green, count to 15 in the language of your Icelandic boyhood before stepping on the gas.

#32) "Brake for Pedestrians" When traveling on 40+ mph arterials, if you spot a pedestrian on the sidewalk and said pedestrian merely glances toward the street (even though they are nowhere near a crosswalk) slam on your brakes as hard as you possibly can! Thus causing numerous rear enders because well, you know, we always yield to pedestrians (as opposed to aiming for them as is commonly done east of the Rockies).

'coarse, maybe Ive been free soloin all this time and just didn't know it. Selkirk, I'll still use the 3 I have, (won't buy any new ones) but I won't trust them nearly as much. It just bothers me that Omega P pointed out a "30 deg" mis-alignment (Im not overlooking the bottoming out aspect also btw) can result in the thing breaking. They were kind of marketed as "desperation pieces" anyway, so that means they are going to end up in funky placements more often than other pro I'd think. And what good is a flexible stem that is not really all that flexible? All you can really do here is compare this cam to others in that position and (if I could) I'd bet that some others would hold when this one exploded. If you got to be as meticulous or more careful with the placement of Link cams then they have no real advantage imo over other cams because rightly or wrongly, that was one of their selling points.

#26) "The Seattle Merge" Drive to the end of the interstate on-ramp, slow down to near stop, merge into traffic, get rear ended and blame the other guy for "not letting you merge."

In summation, OP blames the cam being placed angled off its fall axis (by 30 deg???) and that it torqued on a "feature" in the pocket that put excess force on the lobes..etc..(my take only) The Link cam on rc.com was only off the fall line by 30 freakin degrees! Thats nothin when your Cascade climbing - happens all the time in the mountains. I think a cam should have held in that placement from what Ive read, they're design flawed IMO - and wouldn't you know it, I have 3 of em. A cam should hold in that placement (again - from just the pics and story). Maybe it should bend and need retirement afterwards, but it should hold that fall.

Damn that just sucks! - and brings it home to me more now. Thats a scary slope to be on during higher avy conditions. Less people around to help than Pan point usually if something breaks loose. I was comming down that slope from Skyline ridge a couple years back when it shot a fifty foot crack out beneath my feet. I carefully back tracked and found the safer (though steeper) route thru the trees to the east. Even the creek crossings in that basin can be sketchy at times with a deep weak snowpack. Peace be to Kirk and his family.

Can someone please confirm the location? Was it on Pan Point? Muir Snowfield? Altavista? Edith Creek Basin? Anecdotal: I was out playing way up on FS road 5510 (I90 exit 42) on Sunday. Found some hidden burried instability in the snow pack @ 4000 feet that I didn't expect nor see. Just diggin a pit and it looks good - until I do a compression test, got "moderate failure" in what "looked" like a very good snow structure. Hopefully things will eventually even-out and stabilize but Im gonna be extra cautious when I get up higher above Paradise in the next week or so. Err on the side of caution. It's been a bad year so far by any measure -don't tempt the dragon.