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Thanks for the tip jared!

exit post alert! yes, according to the government, it is not. In practical terms its pretty low though. But then (unless you own the company and are $ driven far beyond the adventure aspect to simply make profit) it's par for the coarse in the guiding game.

I think the choice maybe more like this; I could sit on the couch like a slug, react to life as opposed to proact, eat processed salted crap, get fat, watch my blood pressure increase over time, complain about my "failing" health, go to a doctor and get put on meds. Not very "natural" (at least by my definition). OR, I could get off my fat ass, excersise, take responsibility for my health to the best of my ability, save the money I would have paid to get the fake health insurance I would need in order to actually see a doctor, eat something called "food" as opposed to synthesized chemicals, fillers, antibiotics and other toxic garbage, be proactive in my life instead of reactive, notice how great it feels to taste and eat REAL food and move my body easily and nearly pain free - the way it was meant to be. That, I call "natural". JayB, Sounds like you work in the allopathic medical field - doctor maybe? If so, good on ya! Seriously, I hold nothing against doctors - even if they (unfortunately) killed a few of my relatives off while trying to "cure" them. My gripe is more with the (thankfully now) slightly dated model of modern medicine which simply reacts to conditions and symptoms via "medical" solutions (aka pills, pills and more pills, and how about some surgery for good measure). I have a sister who was once "diagnosed" with Leukemia, she told the doctors off, walked out of the hospital and is doing quite well some 20+ years later. She did it the "natural" way - she did not have Leukemia btw. I could call them quacks as well but I save that one for the guy who wanted to needlessly cut my tonsils out when I was a teenager. He was quite pissed off because I changed my mind and opted out of the surgery a couple days prior to - guess the payment on one of his summer homes was a bit harder to come by that month on my account - he let me know it too. Again, I think little of "Homeopathy" in general, but I am a big fan of the incorporation of some natural tactics/approaches into health treatments and remedies of many kinds. In fact, if its about the quality of health and well being of the person/patient and not about the quantity of the $$$ in the bank account of the "treator" (or the stock holders) Im all for it! Take care.... of your health

I think that your argument here would be quite a bit stronger if the patient populations that homeopaths and "allopaths" were treating were identical in terms of the nature of the conditions that they were presenting with, their acuity, and the nature of the medical intervention required. When people collapsing from strokes, presenting with organ failure, major trauma, life-threatening infections, etc are rushed to the homeopaths - then you'll have a valid basis for comparing the relative mortalities of homeopathy and scientific medicine. Its not really meant as an argument JayB I totally agree that we're talking differnt types of medical problems/conditions - I don't think much of Homeopathy as it is or was anyway, but there is a history behind how modern medicine and "alternatives" have interacted in the past and sometimes the history is a bit dirty.

Trains them young in the ways of pub clubary as well..

I think also that Homeopathic concoctions are soooo diluted of their "key" ingredient (what ever that may be) that you are effectively taking nothing. And just sayin..., when I shop for herbs and supplements, I almost never bother with the homeopathic section.

If I remember the history of it correctly, Homeopathy was once the predominate form of "medical practice" (in the US at least) until beaten down by the Allopaths. Allopathy uses many of its principles though. Personally, I think Homeopathy may mostly be effective (if it is at all) based on the placebo effect. But then something like more than 40% of Allopathic doctors (read "AMA") have also proscribed "sugar pills" at some point for the same reason - placebo. Bluntly, its mostly BS shit crap snake oil but, AMA doctors kill thousands upon thousands of people each year do to mistakes and infections as well - and then try to supress that information (there was a study a few years back that shook every body up on the amount of Allopathic patient deaths due to medical error - then the AMA put out their own "study" which drastically lower the numbers). Homeopathy may work or may not, but often it is a less toxic choice -JMO

Is anyone here taking CoQ10 supplements? What brand? Why? Side effects? Effectiveness?

Seeking advice on the best book with the best beta/topos for technical routes on Mt Whitney? Mainly interested in the East Face for now but... Thanks

Dave Ross (KIRO 710 am) has a guest on right now who wrote a book called "How to rigg an Election"

Might try putting the word out on summit post also cuz there are a few climbers in CO who post there. I second the the wish for a good outcome

riverdweller, I don't think the intent (by most) is to "trash the deputy" for doing his job, some people do feel strongly about how the problem was handled however and are likely just venting a bit. I think the strong reaction is because most of us have parked in questionable positions at some time to gain access to the back country and just the thought of "dying because my car got towed" kind of rubs one the wrong way a wee bit. Most of us though are just imagining the scenario because we wernt there. Maybe the its the DOT or FS that could handle things better with clearer signs and more sensible closings or directions and so forth. People make mistakes - cops, recreationers/campers alike. Maybe some better communication is in order by all parties. Thnks for your post

It has been claimed by some that this all started in the nineties when the repubs just couldn't accept that B Clinton became prez. Maybe so, probably not though, I can't say for sure myself. But however/whenever the deep partisanship actually started it is troubling at times I agree, and is frustrating to me too. Corrupted elections in the middle of the supposed premier example of democracy in the world aught to be so shocking an unacceptable to people that they utterly (and in complete unity) shut down the damned system until safeguards are mandated and in place. "Red state", "blue state", "neocon", "liberal", "repub", "demicracks", whatever the koolaid youve drunk, ALL OF US lose big time in a corrupted system feigning fairness and democracy. All should be pissed off about this.

I think this is the site that first brought media attention to the issue a while ago, not sure though --> http://blackboxvoting.org < You could also try the "dot com" suffix etc instead. People should write their congress person I guess but, in so far as they all got elected based at least in part on electronic or digital voting they probably don't quite grasp or care about the grave nature of the issue - Dems or Repubs alike. New Hampshire (especially if they used digital voting machines and or Diebold etc..) should have been a wake up call.

Maybe a better question is: Where is YOUR outrage? The friends ive had who were as outraged as I once was ended up hunted down by the police, in jail, or dead. On this site, sometimes I can't tell if the topic is meant to be satirical or not - I guess that now passes for outrage anyway. In this case, I don't think its far out by any standard to use the word "conspiracy" in connection with electronic voting. The video makes it pretty plain and simple to understand and goes a long way to explaining some "strange election results that somehow confounded the polls." Gee, wounda what machines they use in New Hampsha? Unfortunately, I am beyond the outrage now, for health reasons alone, I'll have to take a pass. This whole topic reminds me of why I once tried to change the system from within, switched to fighting it from without, and then finally and mostly just tuned into the mountains, myself, my kid. Fuckem, don't let this shit (due to stress) take minutes off your game of life. Most people (as in more than half the population) deserve what they get anyway. They are sheep for the most part and they don't move until they are poked. The need to resort to violent state repression has largely been replaced by corporate digital control and manipulation - also 100's of "Seattle liberal" red light cameras. But rest assured, if anyone ever does happen to come along and agitate the man enough, the guns will still be close at hand.

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Well, if your that curious about the number you can always check with--> http://www.nwac.us/ <--from time to time. They have good education links there as well.

People should consider this when they hear presidential candidates say they will "bring our troops home". Don't underestimate the power of the intangible element. Obama has it, he's got the mojo. I think the world will love him so much that it will turn around all the bad juju that Bushy has brought upon us and much good will be possible. That is if some dumb stooge does'nt off him first (ahemm..Bobby Kennedy?). Its been done before after all.

Couple thoughts. Seems to me that it might be helpful to distinguish between two types; A) Those clueless folk with little or no avy information/education, but who may have had some amount of positive (lucky) experiences playing in winter mountain snow - ie, "the innocent." B) Those overconfident folk with significant avy information/education and who may have had some amount of positive (lucky) experiences playing in winter mountain snow - ie, "the jaded." In both cases, having a history of nothing bad happening (ie "negative feedback") might contribute to a complacent attitude to decision making. The "jaded" have to start taking that (negative feedback) into serious account and plug that factor into the equation. They have to account for the fact that their experience may even be a hindrance rather than a help to good decision making. Im not sure how to get that message out to them more except through emphasizing that thru books and classes. The "innocent" though might just need a shock type of warning (stickers/pamphlets?) as well a regular type of reminder like something daily in the news-weather report - maybe the daily avalanche rating for instance. Large warning stickers on gear? Handouts with gear purchases? These might be good I think if you could get the outdoor gear dealers to go along with scaring their customer base. 'Coarse hopefully they realize that a dead customer will not return to buy more gear either. On the other hand, "human sacrifice" may just be in the cards in a society that demands "insta-grat experiences" without going through the natural learning curve. Beyond the tragedy, I hope that access doesn't start to get effected by all the carnage in the "evil dangerous" mountains.

Fatalities this season in Wa (from what I gather): Three snowshoeing caught descending slope fr snow Lake, 2 fatal. Three missing snow boarding near Crystal, 3 presumed fatal. Two snowshoeing caught in Edith Creek Basin, 1 fatal. Five snowmobilers caught highmarking @ Excelsior Pass, 2 fatal. Four "hiking" caught in vicinity of Lake 22 trail, 1 fatal. 9 deaths total. No fatalities thus far have been categorized as "climbers". Washington State presently leads the nation in avy deaths for 2007-08. (In a nutshell, we've got a cold, deep, weak snowpack this year - yikes!) All of these folks were out in considerable or higher avy conditions according to the NWAC. Some of them could only have determined the avy danger level on their own (if they knew how) as they were camping out for multiple days. The snow boarders probably looked forward to finding the deep powder snow that often accompanies higher avalanche conditions because well, that's what boarders do. The snowmobilers were likely seeking avy angle terrain if not the deep powder. 4 out of 5 of the groups caught had at least one person who was "experienced" in winter bc travel. In three of the cases it has been noted that the parties were intent on traveling on the loaded avy angle slopes where they triggered the slide that caught them. (All gathered from published reports). When the daily avalanche forecast danger level is rated as "considerable", this has historically been when the most avalanche fatalities take place. This is probably -Im guessing- due to the "human factor" as the objective danger posed at that level is quite manageable IF YOU KNOW HOW TO MANAGE IT. "Managing it" may not only include choosing the safest possible terrain (which takes practice) but can also mean WAITING FOR LOWER AVALANCHE CONDITIONS. People in and around the Cascades often want to get out and play in the winter - its one of the joys of living around here. BUT, many or most of those people probably don't have a clue about how dangerous those mountains can be when they get covered in winter snows. Some Questions: Why are some people apparently underestimating the danger of avalanches and thus mis managing their actions and dying because of it? Why arnt some people "getting the word" and getting the needed edification? What can be done to help educate/inform people about the hazards that are out there in the winter mountains? I just thought somebody here might have some good ideas/proposals? Its pretty freakin sad this year, and kids are now dying too. Speaking as a parent, that really sucks.

Just to update my last post: The girl has been found deceased. Very, very sad. The location of the trail they took is really close to the one in the original post. I for one am now quite curious if any more vehicles were towed today in the area and if (or not) such an action could have made things worse in this incident. I hope not, but if it did, someone should pay big time for it.

KING 5 is reporting tonight that some "teen hikers" have been caught in an avalanche "on the mountain loop highway near Verlot". At least 1 girl is still missing right now and search is being organized. Lets hope all comes out well. Lets also hope that the tow happy cops up there werent part of the problem.

Crossing the road is a revolutionary act of resistance! The chicken was obviously attempting to inspire the oppressed masses and join forces with his comrades on the left bank. LONG LIVE CHI! DEEEESTROOOOOY!!!!!

THAT IS FUCKING FUNNY!!! I was pretty impressed watching someone board through the Peely gates a few years back. They stopped hard at the gap, then went around. That took some skill if you ask me.

This thread has struck my funny bone, the sensation is about a 2 out of 5 not bad