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people, y'all care about this too much. just crank up the tunes and sing loudly/badly and don't worry about what other people think of your driving.

obviously, the tigers will go live in a foster care home. clearly neither seigried or roy are good parents. can't you see by the way the tiger lashed out that he's in emotional pain from being raised in a homosexual environment?

Uhh, the majority of us are in Seattle or PDX....that should tell you a little about how liberal we are as a general group. Greg is one of our special kids. We try to be nice to him even though he thinks poor people are lazy. I don't think all poor people are lazy. I think that many people who are poor, are that way due to choices that THEY have made about the direction of their lives. I don't see that I need to be punished because of my success and hard work just because someone decided to get drunk and knocked up at 16 and has no marketable skills because of it. hey greg, you're right. but what should those folks do from this point forward? wave a magic wand and get marketable skills and maybe a nanny when they find that magic lamp?

i use an atc and reverso. i like my atc better for some things. it handles a little smoother than the reverso if you're lowering someone and it seems like it's a little smoother to rap with. the reverso is great for having 2 people following. i like it b/c you can set it up to autolock if your second falls by adding another carabiner. i haven't had problems with skinny ropes with either one.

Straight marriage will look bad if the gay marriages outlast them.

who said it should be protected. i'd say with 50% of them failing, straight marriages isn't working so well. why protect it in it's current framework? i'm being facetious. however, i think it's something to consider before we worry about the demise of the world b/c we allow some gay folks to get married.

yep!

not always men selling there daughters. it was often an arrangements between families to merger businesses, keep peace between families, etc. there were lots of reasons. often love and god and nothing to do with it. there are many references on this if you do a quick google search. if i recall my history correctly the catholic church didn't recognize marriage as a sacrament until the thirteenth century.

i can't believe that our federal government would waste time and tax dollars on a constitutional ammendment for this. first of all, isn't marriage normally a state issue? secondly, i'm fond of the argument that marriage is a religious sacrament that's being desicrated by homosexual marriages. marriage was started long before the church or government got involved as a business arrangement between families. sorry god had nothing to do w/it. i heard some gentleman interviewed regarding the recent marriages in San Francisco. he felt that if we allowed this to go on "how would we populate the earth?" i'm sorry is underpopulation a serious problem right now? did i miss something? how is ~10% of the population having a same sex marriage going to cause the species to cease to exist?

mer- that's true enough. that dynamic seems to happen a lot. i wasn't really thinking of that in particular. i was watching a couple interact this w/e. it was interesting and got me to thinking about this topic. i think a lot of that boyfriend = ropegun dynamic forms if the girl starts climbing b/c her boyfriend climbs. if she's climbing for her own reasons then i think she'll insist on leading if she wants to. most likely, she'll push herself on to progressively harder leads. its hard enough some days to keep my head about me, i don't want issues with my boyfriend about who is leading what. hopefully that's would be worked out a little bit before the rope comes out.

Sabertooth's thread in lost and found brough this to mind. i've often wondered often gear cached at the base of a route gets stolen. Or for that matter how often stuff left in the pack at the crag disappears. anybody have experience with this kind of thing?

shoot! am i going to have to ban jon now

CLIMB: Great Northen Slab. Various routes to the anchors DATE: Sunny Sunday Afternoon. TRIP REPORT: unable to secure babysitter for the whole day so i settled for an afternoon in the sun at index. great northen slab was sunny and conveniently located. went with a major goal in mind: find a placement for my new .75 camalot. mission accomplished on the first pitch so moved on to new challenges. climbed some stuff. worked on tan. laughed. good partner. met some nice people. hi sam and jason got circled by a wayward bat who apparently couldn't find it's way back to the roof pitch. climbed some more. GEAR: a few nuts, a cam or two, rope, slings and oreos APPROACH NOTES: just the way i like it: quick and easy

do you? with what?

i remember there was a thread discussing the virtues of tying in w/a bowline vs. a figure 8. can anyone a) give me a brief summary of the pros and cons or b) find the link to that thread. i can't find it

so was sunday

please don't turn this into a big time relationship thread just taking a survey after making some observations this weekend. climbing with my spouse/date/ SO is: a) the best. we climb great together and i never climb better b) stressful. i don't climb my best but we have a good time. c) a total disaster. no way is that ever going to happen again.

hey that's not a lie. it's never the dress that makes an ass look big

"trust me"

hey dick. as long as you're a pointy dick in spray there'll be no problem. try and keep the spray in spray eh? hey it just isn't good to abuse the new people. you guys can enjoy consentual mutual abuse if you want. just take it easy on the unsuspecting.

i think i might be in love w/alpine k after that sentiment. nothing like a closed mind to evaluate thing

Layton i didn't PM and i'm not interested. but going to vantage doesn't sound too bad

glad you'll be there! i won't be there til late. 7:30ish. hey when are you going to RR? i'm going either the week of 3/10 or 3/24? these guys would be a lot warmer and fuzzier if they new they were missing out on a cute red head

I thought you went everywhere with a suitcase of vodka. That's why I agree to travel with you. no that was me you agreed to travel with. you said you'd carry the suitcase of vodka. are you welching out The ultimate bag lady! hell yeah...gotta travel in style. luis vuitton bags for this bag lady

i feel like i'm piling on right now... muffy, i totally disagree with this. you can fall anytime even on stuff you can solo. i want my gear to hold even on the easy stuff. not so long ago i was leading a 5.7 that i've climbed several times. i had one good nut in and was moving past it. i was being pretty casual b/c i have climbed that pitch before. i was placing the second piece and i was a little sloppy and had to untangle a sling. my foot slipped fromt he stance i was in and i fell on that first nut. i was really glad it held b/c i would've decked if it hadn't. i almost didn't put that first piece b/c i knew that pitch and had climbed it before.