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That was us then. Slushy snow poorly bonded to rock on the route. Any "Ice" that has formed up was quickly unforming and making it's way off the mt. Good views from the top of vepser.

LAME LAME LAME To Far for 98% of attendees, Too Much DUI potential.

True.

So where do you pick up one of those fancy rowboats that those other crazies have? Or are you just gonna use one of these

Dwayner, What is the origin of Ph.D.? When a person get's a Ph.D. they are doctor of philosphy, so if you get your Ph.d. in philosophy, do you have a doctorate of philosphy in philosphy?

Isn't the amount of wax more a function of the scraping than the initial application?

Horses Ass

You shouldn't need a scraper that's as wide as the board. It sounds like you have the basic idea, at little practice should clear everything up. The trick is the iron handling when you are spreading the wax.

Between $1,000 and $2,000 bucks. I don't know much about it, but I think this is a pretty well respected acreditation, though I wouldn't shell out the dough. It doesn't really have much to do with my point which I don't remember any more, but damn, those are some stout requirements.

AMGA AMGA has the REAL certification requirements, tough ones anyway. "You meet the prerequisites for the Rock Instructor Certification Exam if you: 1) have successfully completed the Rock Instructor Course and professionally guided 40 days (paid) since taking that course. Include documentation in your program application; 2) are a current Individual Member of the AMGA; 3) provide a personal climbing resume of at least 50 multi-pitch traditional climbs within the last 2 years, showing each of the following; a) that you have led or shared lead on at least 10 routes Grade III, and 4 routes Grade IV; b) that you have led at least 20 traditional routes rated 5.10c or harder (if these are multipitch, they may be included in the 50 above); 4) can safely and comfortably lead crack and face climbs rated 5.10c, A2 at the time of the exam; 5) are at least age 18; 6) have current Wilderness First Responder certification or better." and You meet the prerequisites for the Advanced Rock Guide Course if you: 1) have successfully completed the Rock Instructor Course and can document that you have guided professionally (paid) 40 days since taking that course; 2) are a current Associate Member or higher of the AMGA; 3) provide a personal climbing resume of at least 50 climbs, showing each of the following; a) that you have led or shared lead on at least 5 routes Grade IV or longer and at least 4 routes Grade V or longer; b) that you have led at least 10 traditional routes rated 5.10b or harder; 4) can safely and comfortably lead crack and face climbs rated 5.10b, A2 at the time of the course; 5) possess equipment suitable for Grade IV routes; 6) have current Wilderness First Responder certification; 7) are at least age 18; 8) provide a letter of reference from a Certified Rock Guide indicating suitability for this course. Alpine "You may enroll in the Advanced Alpine Guides Course if you meet the following prerequisites: 1) Have completed the Alpine Guide Course; 2) You are a current Associate Member or higher of the AMGA; 3) Have at least five years of alpine climbing experience; 4) Provide a personal climbing resume showing each of the following: a) 30 different alpine climbs, with experience in at least two different areas (e.g. the Andes and Alaska). b) 10 different alpine rock climbs rated 5.7 or harder c) 10 different glacier routes with significant crevasse hazard d) 5 different waterfall ice climbs rated WI 4 or harder 5) You can safely and comfortably lead, in rock shoes, crack and face climbs rated 5.10a at the time of the course; 6) You can safely and comfortably lead, in stiff mountaineering boots, crack and face climbs rated 5.7 at the time of the course; 7) You are able to comfortably employ French crampon techniques on 40 degree hard, frozen snow in ascent and descent at the time of the course; 8) You can safely and comfortably lead WI 4 at the time of the course; 9) Have a current Wilderness First Responder certification; 10) Have completed an AMGA approved Level II avalanche course, or have the Discipline Coordinator’s or Technical Director’s written approval for an alternate course. 11) You are at least age 18.

"but I would say the numbers applying and those that actually get jobs is a huge difference" Exactly, so why not just train the person whos personality and other skills mesh, like nearly all other business in the country operate? Like I said earlier it's a troll, with employment potential as the bait, in an unstable economy to get people to take the course so they can make some money. Using the excuse that tough times call for this sort of practice does not make it OK. The life of a guide is a lifestyle choice and a labor of love, I don't think there are any guides that got in it for the money.

It's totally different, and you must be quite the dumbass to not see it. If I got an outdoor rec degree maybe toss in and environmental science degree I could go here and apply for most of the listed jobs. These employers after looking at my education histort and experience would be able to make and eductated asessment of my skill level. Now if applied for the same jobs and just listed certified guide by joe jo-jo jr. Shabadoo guide service it ain't gonna mean shit to anyone but Joey jo-jo.

APPLES AND ORANGES MAN. So do colleges say "Job opening for a professor, but first you must complete OUR grad school program for (insert department here) to teach at our school" No, they hire based on qualifications, with the assumption and requirement the the necessary education level and skills are present. Law enforcement academy is a nationally accepted training as are many EMT, and fire academys. These are a far cry from John Doe guide service.

Will this be Erdens new avatar image? Good Luck Erden.

Notice the lack of La Sportiva on their US sales site.

So they are twice the cost because they say BD?

$5.00

$4.50 on barrabes.

Anyone used camp pins? They are half the price of BD.

You mentioned some very different organizations. NOLS at least has some credibility in the outdoor recreation industry. Mounties are way different. And the mounties don't post job listings and then say "but to get this job you have to pay $400, and take a class and even then you probably won't get the job"

IT's a Hoax Good to know SAR is good as checking the facts.

So you have to pay to take the class to be a prospective employee? Screw that. Why don't they hire a qualified person and then have them take the orientation. It's called an investment in your employees. I think they are trying to troll people who want to get jobs in the outdoor industry to take the class so they can make some dough.

So you pack all yer shit in, but what happens when you put it all on and the thing is half full? Now all the weight is at the bottom and it's sliding around and what not.

Music while outdoors Rox. Screw all you haters that think is ruins the beauty of nature, y'all can have fun at the REI birdwatching course with your nature books and soft spoken guides w/o me. I'll be busy listening to my MD and rockin out to some fly tunes. I'm always hummin a tune in my head anyways.

We could have a bellingham friday pub club, and then all go climbing, or biking or some shit on saturday, though I could make the trek on a wednesday, it's always nice to see my friends up there. Beaver rox da block. Free popcorn a dope wallpaper mural and office chairs. Deep fried pickles. Smokey as hell though.