Alpinfox

Cool. How long did it take? When I was a kid I lived near Delta Junction for a couple of years. We always called Mt. Hayes, "Ghost Mountain" due to its high central peak and two flanking shoulder peaks. Is "Mt. Moffit" the name of one of the shoulder peaks?

Two pics does not an animated gif make.

Mammut makes the best ropes in the biz in my opinion.

A 50m X 8.5mm "dry" treated rope is ideal for glacier travel. A 60m X 10.5mm bipattern or middle-marked rope is ideal for rock cragging. A 60m X 9.5mm rope will work for both (though not as well as the ideal rope) and will be a good choice for alpine rock climbing. The half-rope idea is a good one and is the popular choice of many climbers in Europe, but not very many people in the US (except some ice climbers) use this system. You might have to train your belayers in half-rope technique if you go this route.

Thanks guys! Dwayner sending the Spire Rock overhang: Allez! Allez!

These two images were taken about the same time:

I'm gonna rap-bolt that whole thing. VIA FERATTA 4EVA BABY!!!

Who is going down there from Seattle? When?

Are you really tall? I think p3 is significantly harder than p2, but if you were tall (>6'3" or so?) you could probably reach the big edge above the crux. P3 is also harder to protect than p2.

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Bullshit. You most certainly can. Not with the rope running through your gear, but if you clean your gear on the way down, a 60m rope reaches just fine. But why would you do it that way? Just belay up the second from the top and then rap off. 60m rope works just fine for that.

Olympia climber reaching for the last of the afternoon light, 600 feet off the deck on Lovin' Arms: to Tim and Tony who shared the route with us. Here is a trip report from my first trip up DHLA in Oct.2003 with Mr. Peru: LINK

That was Moses and ______ on Heaven's Gate.

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I NEEEEED to see that video!

WHERZ THE DAMN VIDEO!?!?!

Perhaps suggesting this as an alternative solution in your letter to the NFS would be a good idea. One could point out that a voluntary donation system would probably cover the overhead costs as well as eliminating the need for law enforcement rangers/campground hosts to patrol the area.

Here is a sample letter: Hi, I'm, like, totally opposed to having to, like, PAY for stuff, 'cause paying for stuff, like, totally is not as cool as getting it for free. OMG! Can't you just, like, put toilet paper in the bathrooms, and just, like, get some volunteer to clean them every once in a while? And OMG! those things could use an air freshner or seven (GAG ME WITH A SPOON) and how about some water out there too! OMG! Yours truly, ____________________ edit: Yeah, I know I'm being a dick, I just want people here to talk about why they think they should get these services for free. Is the Grasslands campground so important to society that all taxpayers should subsidize it? If not, don't you think a user-targeted fee system is the best way to cover the costs? I think $2-5/site/night would porbably cover the costs of the bathroom maintenance. That seems reasonable to me. However, it probably would NOT cover enforcement, so it would pretty much be a voluntary system. I hate the ludicriously priced, Nazi-run campgrounds that are managed by private, for-profit companies like "Thousand Trails". $16/car/night for a patch of dirt to pitch a tent on, a picnic table, and a Honey Bucket??!?! That's bullshit. Plus, most of that money goes to the company, not the NFS.

Email is the most easily dismissed form of correspondence. A phone call or snail mail letter are probably more effective. Here is some more contact info: Crooked River National Grassland 813 S.W. Hwy. 97 Madras, OR 97741 (541) 475-9272 You can submit a comment/letter to them through their online feedback form HERE

Do you really think an email is going to do anything? Perhaps a written letter would be better? In any case, it seems that fees are inevitable. There is service being provided (restroom maintenance and TP) with no fee required. How long did you expect that to continue? Anyone have any idea what the annual cost of maintaining two of those toilets is and supplying them with TP? Wild guess: Maybe $8000?

and you aren't affiliated with them at all right? Don't get me wrong, it sounds like it has a fine mission statement, but how about just being honest and saying that you are advertising your new organization?

Pitch two looks especially sweet on that NW face. Splitter straight-in hand crack you say?