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It is my understanding that land under the management of DNR can have various designations and each of those designations allow different uses. This PDF file lists some of those designations and explains what they mean. It also seems to be the case that different districts of the same land manager (national forest for example) can have different policies toward a particular use.

My motivation behind making this thread was not for people to get in a debate about whether I.B. is a good route or not. My goal was to try to get climbers of all sorts to contact land managers and let them know that you care about access to climbing on public land. If lots of people do this, they will realize that we are a significant user group and will pay more attention to issues important to us when other groups (like the ALPS) make complaints or when new land use policies are being formed. If the WCC is ever going to have any bargaining power with land managers, the land managers need to believe that the WCC represents LOTS of people.

If you insomniac asshats need something to spend your energy on: http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/threadz/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/353193/Main/353193#Post353193

There is going to be a meeting today (Thursday, 5/26/04) involving the newly formed "Washington Climbers Coalition" (WCC), the Access Fund, the National Forest Service, and the Alpine Lakes Protection Society regarding the climbing route "Infinite Bliss" on the west peak of Mt. Garfield. Under discussion will be the potential hordes of people heading to the route, the impact of the trail itself on animals/plants/habitat and various other stuff. Possible negative outcomes include removal of the route (bolts), a ban on future route development, removal of the trail, prosecution of route developers , and other bad stuff. Climbers need to have a voice in this discussion in order to be heard and have our interests addressed/considered. If you are interested in supporting access to this climb and climbs like it in Natl Forest, please contact "The Man" at the address below and let them know that you are a climber and you want to use public land for climbing. The pressure of user groups is what directs public land policy formation. Please speak up to support climbing! Cheers, -Pax North Bend Ranger Office 42404 SE North Bend Way North Bend, WA 98045 (425) 888-1421

You guys need a hobby. Might I suggest climbing?

Find your picture in the gallery (or any picture posted on the web) and right click on the image and click on "Properties" At the bottom of the little window that pops up you will see the URL address of the image, something like "http://www.somewebsite.com/images/blah123.jpg". Select that address and copy it (Cntrl + C). Now make a post and select "image". A little window will pop up. Paste the image's URL into that window and hit return. Or, click HERE to get the cc.com FAQ page about how to do the same thing.

If you are talking about the bug that redirects your google searches to something called "cool web search" or something similar, you need to get a little program called "CWShredder" and it will take care of it. Worked for me and worked for MisterE.

I've got a newish (used for toprope about half a dozen times) rope that I'd trade. Glad to hear you are getting geared up Tim!

Voila!

Your summit pic is not working. Nice TR! I'm surprised how little snow there is for May! edit: Picture seems to be displaying just fine now. Probably just my stupid POS computer.

1st picture is busted, 2nd picture = last picture. Who IS that old tubby guy anyway?

You're right. It is pretty low angle and in most spots I don't think snow would be a big deal. There are a couple of 5.6 spots, but they are steeper and will melt/dry out faster than the rest. I climbed it much later season than this, so I don't really know what it will be like now. Pretty area If you go up there, please take a knife and bring home some ratty rap slings. The anchors up there are some of the worst I've seen anywhere. I carried out about 10 old slings!

I DO want to climb out there, COR is incredible!, but it's a sheeetload a' drivin!

Ivan the terrifying said: Aren't you 6'7"? You should be our designated muscle if anyone ever catches a gear thief. Maybe we should get you a beeper?

Skyclimb, Did you perhaps mean the ROYAL GORGE in Colorado? That would be quite a rappel!!! I enjoyed rappelling off of bridges when I was a kid. Had to run from the cops a few times which was kinda fun. I imagine in this age of "heightened national security" you could get yer ass locked up for that sort of thing. I have a real honor-society, never-does-anything-wrong, type friend that got arrested a couple of years ago for traversing underneath the Montlake Bridge! He was pretty scared because he's CANADIAN and thought he might get deported. But they just let him go.

How much you need? I've got about 30' I could give ya for free. I've got 60m that I'm not quite ready to give away yet but would sell pretty cheap. $30? I live near the UW.

Why not just wear the trail runners w/ some strap-on pons on the climb? Or wear some lightweight hiking boots for the hike AND the climb? Olympus is climbed in warm weather so an insulated boot is not required and it has no steep snow/ice sections which would require a stiff boot. If you have some circulation problems in your feet (Raynaud's syndrome or something) then consider bringing a chemical toe heater pack along and using it for the summit day. Weighs much less than insulated boots. It seems excessive to me to bring two pairs of footwear on a trip like Olympus, especially when one of those pieces of footwear weighs 4+lbs. However, to each his own.

Took me a while to find this TR, but nice work Dru! Looks like a pretty trip. How much did the chopper cost? p.s. I don't know how to rate a thread???

COR is a 10hr drive. If you have four days off you's gonna spend two of em drivin' you crazy nut.

My early climbing experiences coincided with setting up rappels and big rope swings off of bridges in colorado. I think rappelling can be pretty fun; especially long free-hanging rappels. Its a novel experience for a kid. And rope swings are SERIOUS fun. We would tie a big loop of webbing around the middle concrete crossbar under this one bridge and then jump off one side or the other. The webbing would rub back and forth on the concrete and I actually broke an anchor sling once! It was backed up of course, or I wouldn't be able to tell this story. Gave me a bit of a fright though. *POP!!!* That was the end of our bridge jumping for that night.

Nice tr jja! You did better than me; I didn't even get out of town!

Badass! Jedi, to put a picture in the body of the post: Find your picture in the gallery and right click on the image and click on "Properties" At the bottom of the little window that pops up you will see the URL address of the image, something like "http://www.somewebsite.com/images/blah123.jpg". Select that address and copy it (Cntrl + C). Now make a post and select "image". A little window will pop up. Paste the image's URL into that window and hit return. Here is one of your images: Nice TR! Thanks for sharing both of you! p.s. Anybody know what Kevin K. is planning on doing in there?

Nope, Fred didn't say anything about it being overbolted. He seemed to like the route as far as I could tell, though he thought the approach/climbing ratio was a little high. He has told me that he is not too fond of climbing in the Icicle in general because of all the driving in between the crags required. He is pretty reserved with his praise for climbs in general, although he did say that Serenity/Sons of Yesterday crack in Yos is "fabulous". Everything else is, "OK" or "it's alright" or, if he really likes it, "pretty fun". I think Fred's favorite type of climbing these days involves ski-planing or helicoptering to the base of a (relatively easy) unclimbed route or mountain and sending it. He showed me some pictures from his "black book", which is really just a box full of fedex folders and manilla envelopes full of AAJ articles, pictures, slides, and route descriptions; he's got a lot of projects lined up! You ain't heard the last of Mr. Beckey!

The forecast I listed above is from www.noaa.gov This forecast also does not look good: http://www.atmos.washington.edu/data/state_report.html Another bad forecast: http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/traffic/forecast/default.aspx?zone=WA026#Forecast One more bad forecast: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=98826&hourly=1&yday=142&weekday=Saturday A good forecast!!!: http://www.intellicast.com/Local/USLocalStd.asp?loc=uswact14221&seg=LocalWeather&prodgrp=Forecasts&product=Forecast&prodnav=none&pid=none So who you gonna believe? I'm thinkin' I'll just stay in town and and and and maybe look for photos of really big housecats.

Bummer. I wanted to go to this, but: Tonight. Numerous thunderstorms in the evening. Becoming widespread rain showers and numerous snow showers overnight. Snow accumulation up to 1 inch. Snow level 5500 feet. Lows in the lower 40s. West wind 15 to 20 mph and gusty. Saturday. Rain showers and a chance of thunderstorms in the morning. Becoming rain and mountain snow showers likely and a chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Snow accumulation up to 1 inch. Snow level 5500 feet. Highs in the upper 50s to mid 60s. West wind 15 to 20 mph with higher gusts. Saturday night. Rain and mountain snow showers likely and a chance of thunderstorms in the evening. Becoming rain and mountain snow showers likely overnight. Snow accumulation up to 1 inch. Snow level 4500 feet in the evening falling to 3000 feet overnight. Lows in the lower 40s. Chance of precipitation 70 percent. Sunday. A 60 percent chance of rain and mountain snow showers. Snow level 5000 feet. Highs in the mid 50s to lower 60s.