Alpinfox

"look baby, I know you wanna be wif me, and you KNOW I wanna be wif you, so let's just go back to my place and DO THIS THANG!" I'M RICK JAMES BITCH!!!

David Whitelaw and Dave Burdick published a nice guidebook (on CD) called "Rattle and Slime". Matt Perkins has a good website.

I just downloaded and listened to "toxicity". I have to say that something like TOOL is gonna be much better of a 5yo skull crushing song... Youngster.

And you could swing one of them around in a big circle and knock the other ones down. edit: Since I'm listening to Metallica at the moment, I'd say it'll take 20 of the little fuckers to take me down.

Jesse, You didn't do anything wrong. It's a fantastic route (one of my top 5 favorites) and you will have a great time. Good luck with the partner search.

I concur. Hail PRB and Hail da lutz. Though my "Happy Birthday from the Lutz" pint glass has gone the way of the dodo. lutz tavern Hormonal high energy of the Reed College variety keeps the Lutz humming. Gals with bobs, clogs and tattoos dance around, while scruffy boys in hip-hugging cords look on approvingly. Floating booths, instead of the usual kind pressed up against a wall, deliver a sense of community, while semicircular corner tables provide makeshift study areas. Nobody really cares what they're drinking, but if you're not in the mood for a $1.35 Blitz or Pabst, there are also Widmer Hop Jack, Mirror Pond, Anchor Steam, Full Sail Nut Brown and MacTarnahan's on draft. Alaskan Pale Ale and Sierra Nevada, perfect starter beers, cost $2.50 a bottle, and several hard ciders provide a sweeter alternative. (BD) 4639 SE Woodstock Blvd., 774-0353. Open daily. 8 taps.

Here is my impulsive response to your post: I know I've said it before, I'll say it again. You really are a shithead. But since I've come to believe that you are a SOMEWHAT reasonable person, and upon more consideration: please explain why force is the only solution? Also, please explain why the Iraqi people should obey/respect a US-puppet government imposed upon them by force? Goddamnyername, you seem to have a knack for suckering me into paying attention to these stupid political threads. BTW: I recently heard John Kerry's speech to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee about Vietnam in April 1971 where he said, "who can ask a man to be the LAST man to die for a mistake? Who can ask a man to be the LAST man to die in Vietnam?" (that's from my memory, not verbatim).

Thanks for the trip report and welcome to cc.com! Do you have any pictures? Sounds like a great trip. I wish I could get my dad to go climb a mountain with me.

BWAHAHAHHAHA!

Yes, and I've updated my forecast. Looks better now! Come on, somebody wanna go scramble up this thing with me tomorrow? I'm a nice guy and it's an easy climb! FUN FUN FUN WHEEEEEE! Alpinfox's new and improved forecast: Thursday. Mostly cloudy. Highs around 70. South wind around 10 mph in the morning becoming light. Thursday night. Mostly cloudy. Chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the lower to mid 50s. Light wind becoming east around 10 mph after midnight. Friday. Rain at times. Highs in the lower 60s. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph shifting to the south 10 to 20 mph in the afternoon.

Wasn't that Hustler removed from the "library"?

Snaffles OH MY GOD!

Dwayner, While I appreciate your point, I make a practical exception for bolts. I understand that this is a very fine point, but I'm willing to accept bolts (preferably with powder-coated hangers) assuming natural pro is not available or so widely spaced as to make the route too dangerous (yes, subjective) without them. I recognize that the wilderness would be a more pure and beautiful place without bolts and that my personal allowance for bolts is an arbitrary line that I have drawn with my own selfish interests in mind. Yes, it's quite obvious that we cannot have an absolutely pure wilderness experience. Thank you for pointing out the obvious. It's "aid" because I drove in a car to get to a trailhead, it's "aid" because I used a trail... my entire life is "aid" because I was born in a hospital. Reductio ad absurdum. The point is that trails are a necessary evil and summit registers are NOT NECESSARY. In fact, a single, well-maintained trail MINIMIZES human impact. Take them back to the MountainEars and say, "Um, I found this crap in the mountains and it had your name on it, so I thought I'd return it to you." The Seattle Mountaineers 300 Third Ave West Seattle, Wa 98119

I just did a google search for "doug scott slideshow seattle" and the first two hits were cascadeclimbers.com pages that have nothing to do with doug scott or slideshows and I have posted on BOTH. Freaky. Anybody know if he is doing a slideshow in Seattle too? Didn't Babu Sherpa sleep on the summit of Everest?

I saw a Shakleton documentary in which a husband and wife team did exactly that. It looked pretty cool. Would be a pretty expensive trip though. I think I'd rather go to Patagonia for less $$.

Yes, exactly.

Yes, I am planning on soloing. "Soloing" with someone else would be fun too. I'll bring a bike if I can't get a key. Anyone? Key? If I don't get any partners, maybe I'll go for a FNA? Has it been done yet?

Uh, someone had to get to the summit to write the name in the register? Please refer to Dru's post above RE: folks signing summit registers with the names Peter Croft and Reinhold Messner and claiming blazing summit times... In the specific case of a contested first ascent, you are correct that a summit register or cairn would be absolute proof that someone had visited the summit. Mr. Cook should have left a register on the summit of "Denali". They ARE good for that aren't they? "Only the 12 of us Mountaineers on the summit today... beautiful blue skies... June 11, 2004".

Ogre, Click on "Main Index" at the top of the page, then click on "North Cascades" under the "Route Reports" heading. You'll find lots of info about Baker. You can also use the "Search" function to find info about Baker or the Easton Glacier route in particular. Good luck on your climb.

So you take at face value the claims of everyone posting on the internet and in print ? Of course I don't. I wouldn't take it at face value if I read it in a summit register either. What is your point?

My beef is with trash and human impact in the mountains. If someone makes a first ascent of a mountain (be it Beckey 50 years ago or some MOUNTAINEER tomorrow) and they want to leave a SMALL and UNOBTRUSIVE token of their visit to the summit, that's fine with me. But do we need a forum for commemorating Joe Schmo's 54,744th visit to the top of "Mt.WeekendWarriorPeak"? Those summits are so abused as it is, it just adds insult to injury to have a big shiny metal box on top. Leaving GEAR on a route (necessary for the climb) is entirely different than leaving a summit register on a mountain. In this day and age, we can communicate significant climbing achievements through climbing journals and websites; we no longer need to leave our mark on a mountain to prove we climbed it. I find it surprising and ironic that I am being accused of egotism for advocating the removal of summit registers whose sole purpose (it seems to me) is to inflate egos.

Anyone interested in risking some possible showers tomorrow (Thursday) and scampering up the West Ridge of N. Twin with me? We could possibly visit Mt. Erie afterwards assuming we aren't too tired or distracted with . I've never been there. Fun people who don't like summit registers encouraged to apply . Clownpunchers welcome. OH! Anyone know how I can get a key to the gate? Forecast: Tonight. Mostly cloudy. Lows mainly in the 50s. Southwest wind around 10 mph in the evening becoming light. Thursday. Mostly cloudy. Chance of showers in the afternoon. Highs in the 60s. South wind around 10 mph in the morning becoming light. Thursday night. Mostly cloudy. Chance of showers. Lows in the lower 50s. Light wind becoming southeast around 10 mph after midnight. Friday. Rain likely. Highs in the mid 60s. South wind 10 to 15 mph.

(see attachment) MMMmmm.... Frozen Snot....

Long-winded So you pulled all the fixed gear on Liberty Crack to leave no trace of climbers? Tom, It would be fine with me if the fixed gear (a dozen pins and three pieces of other stuff) on LC disappeared. LC would really be Grade V if that happened. I'd say the bolts should stay though. There is actually a new kind of cam-like thing I saw recently that works in bolt holes, so perhaps if those things work well, we could pull all the bolts and just leave the holes on LC. That would be fine with me too. I understand that the holes are still a "trace of man", but they are much less so than bolts themselves. The goal doesn't need to be to completely eliminate the trace of previous passage, but to AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE leave the route/mountain in such a condition that a climber can at least entertain the fantasy in his/her mind that they are the first one to ever set foot on that spot. BTW: I have a different set of ethical standards re: bolting in "sport climbing" areas. Let's try to stick to the summit register issue here.... Stefan, Removing summit registers = censorship? Sorry man, but that is a ridiculous arguement. Libraries are a place where books are stored and loaned out to any curious person. (As an aside, there IS censorship at public libraries. Try to find Penthouse magazine the next time you visit a public library). Summits are quiet, holy places where (some) people go to meditate and be away from the trappings of man for a brief time. Written documents belong in one of these places and not the other. Is it "censorship" that we don't allow people to spraypaint grafitti on publicly owned buildings? Would a "sidewalk register" chained to a lightpole in downtown Seattle be accepted? Dwayner, While you are correct that most climbers don't carry spraypaint and chisels in their packs, some apparently do. Have you seen the pictures from Dishman in eastern WA? And I have seen plenty of names and crap scratched into summit rocks. Granted most of those times were on summits that did not require technical "climbing", but not always. Climbers do tend to be more respectful of wilderness than your average troop of yahoos. Summit registers aren't permanent installations, true, but they don't seem to be going anywhere either. Those shiny steel boxes will survive a nuclear strike, and they are often CHAINED to a rock, making them pretty difficult to remove. I'm glad I got ya'll fired up about this issue.