klenke

Pssst, it was sarcasm, pass it on... I think possibly the conversion rate is/was about the same as usual only that the media then latched onto it, thereby making it seem like it was happening at a higher rate. The media is always implying/inducing generalities based on one or two interviews where the interviewee makes unsubstantiated claims (i.e., they talk out of their asses in front of the camera). At the same time, the media don't go out and do exhaustive studies or polls to see what is really reality.

I converted to JoshKism after I saw what that god could do on skis. I mean, geewillickers, the man is out of this world! It hasn't lived up to the hype, though, and so I've been thinking of converting back to gaperism.

From the back of my big dic (Random House): Use of semicolon: 1. To separate closely or implicity related independent clauses not joined by a conjuction. This is how assmonkey and I used it. It is more succinct than splitting into two sentences where the relationship might be lost on the reader. A conjuntion is a word like 'and' or 'but.' 2. To separate independent clauses that are joined by such conjunctive adverbs as hence, however, therefore, and thus. 3. To separate long or possibly ambiguous items in a series--especially when the [individual] items already include commas. This is a good time to use them. I use them in this case a lot (like #3 in this list) 4. To separate elements that are closely related but cannot be joined unambiguously with a comma. E.g., "Poverty is unbearable; luxury is sufferable." 5. To precede a word, phrase, or abbreviation that introduces explanatory information or an offered example, as before i.e., e.g., or that is. A comma may sometimes be used instead of a semicolon. E.g., "On the advice of her broker, after much deliberation, she chose to invest in major industries; i.e., steel, automobiles, and oil." You can see in this last case how a semicolon clearly sets out the list where as a comma would be awkward. ¿

I actually use the semicolon quite a bit; it has its uses. I'm impartial to this thing: | (called a pippit or something?). It's good for making lude symbols like this ( )|( ) but what else? Bin Laden is definitely a horse's ( )( ).

This is the view from that shitter (or former shitter). It's much more expansive than this picture indicates.

Still feel like you got that one on me, Marylou? Well, you can say what you want about the justice system, but if the guy's fingerprints were found on some of the bomb-making material in Spain then I think you have to arrest him on that evidence. True enough, he may be innocent and the presence of his fingerprints can be explained away, but charges are what are applied later. Don't you guys ever watch Law and Order? First Brisco and the other dude investigate and gather evidence. They take evidence to the DA or their boss (the captain lady) who then tell them to pick the suspect up based on the evidence gathered so far. Later, the suspect pleads not guilty and bail is set. Isn't that the way the justice system works? Matt?

$350!! Sure that's not a typo? $35.00 perhaps? Of course, it is an old book (1983) that's no doubt out of print. That's really why it's so expensive. Plus, the essayists in it bump the price too.

Yes, it's the people on the fringes of society (your standard JoshKs and Greg_Ws ) that are the worst threat. The Moderate Klenkes can be trusted.

What a hypocrite Ratboy is!! Here he is saying reality shows are so suck yet his avatar image is of Butthead. -is and were reality TV and you know it!

I didn't see but two or three minutes here or there of the Friends finale. So it was lame, Josh? How did this lameness stack up with the final Seinfeld? I remember a lot of people were disappointed in that last Seinfeld too. But I've since seen it in syndication a couple of times and it's funnier (in syndication). Assmonkey's alternate version:

Some information (some courtesy of Dr. Roper): Mt. Delabarre is named after a Port Angeles banker. W.R. Delabarre bankrolled the 1907 Mountaineers party that visited the area. This was the Mountaineers party that made the first ascent of Mt. Olympus (Cook's falsity doesn't count). Delabarre is actually listed in my Olympics Climber's Guide (p. 194 in the 3rd Edition). The guide gives a parenthetical second name of Mt. Taylor. Two routes are listed, neither being harder than Class 3. Mt. Delabarre is the peak with the greatest prominence on the Chimney Peak Quad. Chimney Peak is the peak with the greatest elevation (6,917 ft).

Pk 6024 is called Mt. Delabarre (unofficially). There is a creek by that same name draining its northern cirque. Delabarre Creek is tributary to the Elwha River. Rustler Creek is the major creek draining SW to the Quinault River. Topozone map of the peak

Bumping this back to the top of the forum.... Also, as a reminder: tent was lost on the deproach from Eldorado Peak.

We did not see your rope on our way up to Argonaut on Sunday morning. We left the trail to head for Argonaut a couple hundred yards past (west) of the swampy area. Seems like if the rope was on the trail that morning and not picked up by someone else, we would have seen it. Therefore, I'm not sure where exactly you left the trail yourselves, but if it was later (farther west) than where we did, the rope may be in that short stretch of trail between where we left it and you left it. Granted, a rope is the type of "find" on a trail that people will be apt to pick up and take home (booty). Whether they see this thread and choose to give it back is another story.

Yessirreebobbalubba. It wasn't hard to find: Trask Lake. It's about eight miles NNE of Shelton near the hook of Hood Canal. Hey, check it out: your avatar image and my avatar image are related.

No, just EXTREMELY quiet and disengaged. There are those personalities who we've all climbed with who might say 10 sentences during an outing. Well, he might say 10 words. Nothing wrong with the guy otherwise. For a garrulous person such as myself, I found him quite difficult to climb with in the social sense. I would have more fun climbing alone. He was usually ahead of everyone guiding the way, so it was a lot like following someone but not connecting with them (like surreptitously tailing a suspect, or something; something that would be more fun than tailing someone who knew you were back there).

To those interested in documentation, names in registers prove visitation of notable figures (and otherwise) from bygone days. Else, it may be up to supposition later. The equivalent would be to keep one's own personal log (which a lot of people do) but this is impossible for others to make use of at the top of the mountain in question. I don't climb peaks merely to sign their summit registers and probably 70% of peaks I've climbed do not have one anyway. So they're not a requirement for me. However, if one is present I will sign it. I like to read names in registers (what these people say isn't always important). I figure writing my own name in there returns the favor for those who know me (either directly or indirectly). They can know what I've been doing. Over time, having read the same estimable names in many registers, I acquire more of an understanding and appreciation for these persons' accomplishments. Example: apparently Monica Lewinsky climbed Argonaut, for her name was in the register. An interesting story concerning myself: a person I used to climb with no longer climbs with anyone (including his father). He is a very good climber but doesn't converse/engage with others or climb with others. However, though that be his personality, he does sign his name into summit registers. I (and others who know him) keep seeing his name entered. We then relay this info to his parents. Oh, and lastly, I sign and make use of summit registers because they're fun (for me). They give me something to do while I'm having a snack. They're something that holds a connection to civilization in a milieu that is wholly nature (at least in so much as peaks in the Stuart Range are natural). If you don't want to sign a register, don't sign it. We that do don't take issue with those who don't. So why shouldn't the reverse be possible? Thrutch's initial post concerning said activities (and yours later) really did not have import in this thread. May the issue rest in peace...or migrate to its own thread. That's the point, Paul.

Thanks, Erick. I got your name wrong but have edited it in the TR. Note that your buddy John is featured in the rappelling photo above (he can be seen downclimbing the E. Gully). Having not attained the summit from this side, you can now do it from a different side later and thereby see even more of the mountain. Thrutch: I agree you can choose not to sign registers with no loss in importance to the climb. However, I bet the majority of climbers do sign them. So really it is whatever floats your boat, not mine.

I see you've snuck in LTIA, Part II in the top spot, Peter. It's definitely a good one but what about 21CSM (though it's hard to call that your standard "riff") or Great Deceiver?

Then why not sign the summit register to let us know you did it, DPS? Last night at the picnic Colin mentioned something about you being in the area. Note that the other two guys did not summit. We knew others had been up there in addition to the other two guys (there were way too many tracks for just them to have made). Those other two guys said the guys from the day before (you?) didn't summit, but they may have been mistaken. I know you've got the alpine hardman ability to summit, so I'm guessing you did (despite the lack of register entry). The secret route comment was tongue-in-cheek. We just wanted to make sure we got up there before JoshK. Don't worry, DPS, we'll never be as cool as you. Your status is safe.

Thread drift alert! Thread drift alert! You don't want Fairweather, Sexual Chocalate, JayB, and j_b to take over this thread do you?

Climb: Argonaut Peak-Jason's Esophagus (NE Couloir/Gully) Date of Climb: 5/2/2004 Trip Report: Okay, apparently a miscommunication between Tod and me caused a delay for the presentation of this trip report, but here it is... Tod Bloxham, Martin Cash, Sergio Verdina, and I climbed the narrow NE Couloir ("Jason's Esophagus") on Sunday. The esophagus is visible at left in the photo below: After spending the night at the trailhead w/o being hassled by Larry the Tool, we left at 6:00AM. When we got to the swampy area about a mile past the Colchuck Lake junction we got our first view of our destination. Lo and behold, we noticed a twosome in our couloir. Someone was poaching our secret route! Dammit! In another couple of hours we found ourselves in the north basin (Jason's stomach) at the base of the esophagus. We were following a boot path. The esophagus didn't look too intimidating and it wasn't. It maintains a fairly constant angle of about 45 degrees for its 1,200-ft gain (approx. 7,000 ft up to 8,200 ft). The esophagus narrows down to squeeze up the epiglotus (see picture below). Once in the glottis, we continued up past the larynx (a noisy fountain spewing from an ice floe) to reach the back of the mouth. A climb over the back of Jason's tongue was now in order. The back of the tongue (the rock transition from couloir to upper NE-facing snowfield) required technical climbing. Martin and Sergio followed a 5.6 crevice to the left (see below) while Tod and I took an easier route to the right. This got us to the upper snowfield (Jason's tongue) whereupon we met the twosome we had seen earlier. This twosome (a Erick and John) had been rebuffed on their first try up on the crest above. The tongue was climbed by contouring the north slope to avoid the small notch on the east-west ridge crest (Jason's teeth). This notch typically requires a rappel to get into to continue on the ascent. Some steep snow with little in the way of run out got us onto Jason's teeth. Class-3 skipping from molar to molar soon found us at the tallest incisor (the summit). This incisor needs some serious dental work to fix the cavities it has. Meanwhile, after calling out to Erick and John that they should follow our route to the top because it was all easy, they never showed up. They just gave up. Perplexing. We were the first party to summit (at least sign the register) this year. Lots of notable names in the register (John Roper [1987], Lowell and Carl Skoog ['91], Roger Jung ['01], and Eric Hoffman['02], to name a few) but none had signed it at an earlier date in the year than our May 2. This seemed strange but perhaps the register is buried in snow in winter. I wonder if this peak has seen a winter ascent (my old brown Beckey doesn't say). We returned to the back of the tongue whereupon we rappeled it so we could downclimb Jason's throat (The East Gully) on our way over to bag ColchucK and later ChucK's Col. Saying goodbye to Jason of the Argonauts, we slogged in the berating sun and were shortly on the summit of Colchuck, which Sergio had been on twice before and me once before (the other two were Colchuck newbies). Myself, Sergio, and Martin high-tailed it out of there as soon as Tod started singing (if that's what you want to call it) the lyrics to McLean's "American Pie". Descending the Colchuck Glacier, we honed our glissading skills (Sergio and Martin got busy with each other--Martin kept pushing Sergio from behind). By 8:30PM we were back at the trailhead aching from all the uneven steps on the snowy trail. 14.5 hours round trip. Gear Notes: We used only one ice axe each and used two 50m ropes for the rappel. Also used a rope for the 5.6 chimney ascent. We brought lots of extra "just in case" gear but didn't use it. This included a second tool, three pickets, two ice screws, crampons, and two light alpine racks (one for each twosome). The crampons will be useful a little later if/when the couloir gets icy. Approach Notes: 3.4 miles of trail, 1.8 miles of off-trail to the couloir, then maybe 0.5 more miles to the summit. The return via Colchuck Peak then Colchuck Lake is about the same distance. This climb can totally be done in a day. Very worthwhile moderate alpine experience. Okay, no to this route, everyone, but it should be good-to-go for another few weeks. This (Jason's Esophagus) would even be a good winter route. I wonder if it has been done. More info and pictures can be found here.

Okay, I deserve that! You to me: Me:

What is on Corona's shirt that snugtop, Mattp, and klenke find so interesting? I know, I know, fern, who cares about analyzing photos!

Whew, what a teetotalers convention THAT was! Everyone was so good to not bring into the park. This guy got booted out of there real early on.