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Thanx Jon!

New as of about a year ago. Don't know the specific deets but think it's in the mid 11 range. Shizzlekowski might know more...

...there are just better places to go that were unobtainable.

Seems easy enough to me!

and you believe that??? What about the Costco sized building and adjacent visitors center? How about the local tax dollars needed to straighten and widen the Icicle road? What about the crags and boulders we will lose during this construction. I'm sure no one will mind losing access to Hubba Hubba since the entrance is supposed to go directly below one of the more accesible and predictable ice climbs in the area. What about the 2 empty 20' three miles worth of tunnel after the project is completed in 30 years? Where is the necessary water going to come from? DUSEL can not use water from the Icicle, the town already needs it. DUSEL sucks in the Icicle, the negative impacts will far outway the positives. Go somewhere else!

It is a given...haven't we all. No clue who you are. Not really a part of the discussion is it? How about we stick to Dishamn instead of flexing every other post. Dick measuring can be done at home. Reread what you wrote, you're the one who asked. Dane, you are a real dick.

Yes it is. If we made it easier for everyone there would be a fucking wheelchair ramp on el cap by now. Climb the mountain on the mountain's terms; not yours. If you don't have the skills stay in the gym. hypocrite

I fail to see how that is relevant since I'm not the one making threats or bolting on holds, but I'm sure I have done far more than you might think...I prefer to keep what I do to myself and immediate friends. I find this whole discussion depressing, I'm goin climbing...

I doubt we disagree as much as you might think. I also think the bolt-ons suck and the "artwork" at the base is inexcusable. If someone pulled that shit in Leavenworth, I would quickly make it disappear. I certainly wouldn't be grand standing for months on a website and make threats to multiple areas. There is a community whether you recognize it or not, just as the offenders should have used better judgement so should you. Neither side to this "debate" is representing the interests of climbers as a whole. Start training, lose some weight, and put up some new routes in the style you prefer, this would be a constructive way to lead by example.

Geez Dane, slow down and articulate what you are trying to say. Your gibberish makes no sense. I can almost see the foam emitting from the corners of your mouth. Now hold on a minute Dane. This is bullshit. Do you really want to be responsible for possibly screwin up access to so many climbing areas that will effect many climbers, far beyond those responsible for the atrocities at Dishman. You were at the WCC meeting last night, you know what's at stake around the state. This is not the answer. Chill out. Do what you need to do to your old routes but then move on. Your threats are childish and will only do harm to the rest of the climbing community and we don't appreciate it.

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and heavier... Hopefully they will continue to make progress with the 4- strokes, it ultimately is the better option. meanwhile- 900 RMK!

A different opinion: Aliens blue thru Purple Camalots-#1 #2 #3 (#3.5 sometimes) DMM walnuts and peanuts- better than any other stoppers! Petzl Rockpecker/Mad Rock hangers- anything a peanut won't fit in. Those Zero things are "toys".

When I was a youngin back in the midwest, I had a 440 Exciter, damn thing was fast! Sweet, no highmarking for you. Get out the garden hose and ride it around the yard! Neighbors love that shit! Cracked, quiet?

No Thrutch, not right now. It's a bit hot anyhow. We will reschedule, fall will be a better time for that grunt. Let's just hope that damn fire doesn't jump the road or move too far east, that would really suck. Hopefully it won't burn til it snows. Every time one of these things starts it really bums me out. On a lighter note, maybe we can find another Pearly Gates!

Oh, I thought about it. It may be the end of me but I'd be willing...

New boulders? doubtful. Cleaner boulders? Quite possibly, although where it's burning right now there isn't much in the way of boulders. I'd dump a years worth of on it right now if it would extinguish the damn fire.

One of my clown friends should buy it so I have more people to ski with this season. Oh yeah, one can't afford pants, another lives in his truck and the rest are simply bums. Damn irresponsible climber types! Good luck, looks like a fair deal. Which 4-stroke you gonna get? Yamaha?

NOOOOOOO!

Now that I would like to see! Going up would be tough enough but coming down... I just don't think so.

I don't have Mike's book but I think we're talking about the same thing. We did it in July of 2001 and the chute was a frozen 50 degreeish sun cupped ladder. I am not a proficient ice climber and found it mellow without a rope. (although falling is not an option) We did rope back up above the chute. If I was gonna set pro, I think Jayb's gear suggestions are sufficient although I'm not sure how much good an ice screw would be, there was no true ice. We did receive a "deer in the headlights" look or two from a rope team of 3, although they weren't putting any pro in either. I'm not sure what the rope was for other than to drag down the other climbers if one of them fell. We told them they were nearly to the summit when one asked (not even close) as we passed them on the way down. Have fun! * Damn, must say that it didn't look anything like Russ's pic when I was there. Update us when you return. Just checked my pics, I don't have one from July 2001 of the chute.

mmmm bikini tops and ass shots please...

Keep your darn gun talk outta my blissful, I can't wait for winter, thread! (I'm ok with the red neck thing though. ) Insert little snowflake graemlin thingies here. Think snow. Think snow. Think snow.

If I was an avid ice climber instead of a hack the "sick shit" would be even sicker... Screw the backburner. Come January you'll be regreting it... * Alpinfox- you beat me to it, notice the word "hack"...