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Matt's probably right that you don't need a 4WD, but it sure is nice, sometimes. It costs a LOT more, price, maintenance, gas mileage. But it is nice not to have to nurse your car up 20 miles of bumpy road at 8mph when you wanna get out and go climbing. Driving a 4WD up the Middle Fork Road can be a gas. It feels like you're in some rally race and you're only driving 20mph! And I've probably driven to 5 or 10 spots in the last 10 years or so, to where with an inferior vehicle, I would have been walking. I've also had to walk 5 or so roads in the last 10 years because we brought someone else's (inferior) vehicle. So anyway, a 4WD is a luxury. If you can afford it, go for it. Definitely get front wheel drive at a minimum though. And, though the clearance is nice, 2WD rear wheel-drive pickup trucks can get real squirrely on bumpy backcountry roads. You'll have to creep everywhere and risk torching your clutch with one of those.

We act a lot younger than those putzes on RC.com though! You're only as old as you feel

I like Iain's answer. I guess that would be the only possibility. Once I got up a couple of feet I'd probably be wrapping the short end (if I could figure out which one was the short end in that desperate situation) around my arm. Obviously a leg wrap would be better but you wouldn't need to climb as far up to get the arm wrap. OUch that would hurt, and you'd probably end up dying anyway. So here's a little thing to think about. Noone probably ever does this, but just in case you're wondering why... A while back a partner of mine was using a D biner for his rappel biner. Because of the asymetric notch, it was pulling on one rope way more than the other and causing it to run through the rap anchor at an alarming rate. Lucky for him/us a) we weren't rapping from a sling, and b) that I was at the anchor and able to grab the knot to stop the rope from running. Oh, and as for CBS's intial query. I'd just prussik up the damn ropes until I got to a no-hands rest, or a place I could anchor. If it meant prussiking to the top, so be it. Better than dinking around with an unpracticed method of self-rescue right near the end of the damn rope Prussiking just isn't that difficult.

I just checked out last Saturday's playlists from 9-11pm. That ain't no '87 punk, it looked like techno . '87 punk I'll be loving it when it becomes "classic rock".

These fags would be eaten alive at a DRI show

I wanna ski up to the base of something. Climb it. Then ski back down. That's what I wanna do. I am new to BC skiing. Is this feasible, or is the window of good-skiing snow too small to accomplish a climb too?

"Too many rats and not enough cheese is the basic problem"

Looks like he might be climbing Lingerie Party 5.7+

What's up with a "no stemming" rating for Lingerie? Makes it seem like a boulder problem or a gym climb. It's probably ten something if you rate in the standard fashion, without any fine print (top-rope assessment only there ).

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It's tough to make a cogent argument about something relatively normal by using an extreme example. Fightin' for fun is not the same as dismembering someone and eating them. And don't tell me that beating each other up at a hardcore show is extreme. People been beating each other for fun for a long time. Fact just this last weekend I watched a little boxing on the tube. First one to knock the other senseless wins! Watch an episode of Bonanza or Star Trek (the original), each episode had an obligatory fistfight. I went to a lot of shows back when they actually called it slamming. We were out in the pit for fun (it wasn't the head crackin' that Doolittle is glorifying, but I didn't attend many shows back East, nor did I go to metal shows). I thought it was way cool how if someone got knocked down, people would pull 'em back up, or at least protect them from getting piled on. As Doolittle said, "The Code." I always thought there was a little bit of a "opportunity in America" analogy going on in there at those shows. Basically, if you really wanted to get a good close-up view of the band, you could. No need to stand in line, be there first, follow any contrived rules. You just had to work hard. Pay your dues, take your lumps, sweat, and you could forge to the front and stay there as long as you were able. And to top off this brilliant analogy, if someone were disadvantaged (small, female, no aerobic endurance) then this opportunity didn't apply. They were just screwed.

see the definitive guide

Anything on Roto Wall

Are you talking about this thread that has the directions? or something else

... all you anti-Bushies, Unless you want a visit from the Secret Service

Confirmed. Still about 5 feet of snow at the parking lot.

Horseshoes is cool. Anybody got horseshoes?

What's the snow level up there right now? Can you still ski down to the Alpental Parking lot? PCT parking lot? If not, how close? Thanks!

Depends on your definition of "hold" (and which variation you took).

Exit 32 or Index?

Just about anything 5.9 or over at Three O'Clock Rock should get you well dialed in for the slabs on Dreamer. Broad Daylights -> Kone or Cornucopia will be good examples of the slabs, plus give you a feel for Darrington "cracks". The crux of Dreamer is route-finding. Check out this cautionary tale by CC.com's poet laureate.

This news story about drug companies hiding results from studies that show their drugs are dangerous, reminded me of this thread. "In a memo from GlaxoSmithKline, leaked last month and published in a Canadian medical journal, the company said negative trial results could not be released because it would damage the profile of the drug."

thousand words? Try five-hundred thousand !

Orbital? Did they cover the Buttholes?

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