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Greg, I think you may be confusing what came out Monday with what MrE is writing about. Monday's note was an internal Pentagon policy paper discussing the issue. Today's deal is a memo from the Bush administration (Justice Department) saying it's OK to torture terrorist suspects.

Hope the FBI does something about this!

The Tooth is primo

Looking at Murray's posting it looks like those closures may not pertain to stuff above Bellygood? Is this the case; i.e., are the portions of the Millenium Falcon and Black Dike that are above Bellygood closed?

IS THERE GONNA BE ENOUGH SNOW ON SOME HI ALTITUDE ROCK CLIMBS THIS WEEKEND TOO MAKE THEM NOT AS MUCH FUN AS SQUAMISH WILL BE? THIMKING WASHINGTON PASS AREA OR MAYUBE ALPINE LAKES, STEWART AREA.

A bit of a tangent, but check out this crazy article I found: the lengthy demise of president Garfield

Could be I'm not understanding Eric8's muddled syntax ( ), but I read it as implying that the 5.9 var will bypass the bear-hug. It won't. In fact, doesn't the 5.9 var just get you to the base of the "nervous 5.6" (#4 won't help you there!). You could bypass the bear hug by doing the Boving Roofs pitch, I think .

I got a feeling we'll be hearing from you again when you try to get your security deposit back! Oh, and what Will said. Try to be reasonable, maybe they'll abide. You've been a good cash cow for a whole year. I'm sure they'd like to keep you happy. This does assume that you haven't been calling them every other month to fix shit. This works well with credit cards by the way. If you're late on your payment and you get charged, most CC companies give you one free take-back, if you ask. Usually the first person you get on the phone is authorized to do this, so it must be pretty easy.

but it does look like he's trying to say something interesting! He probably just didn't have time to actually proofread what he typed since he's studying very hard for finals.

Something tells me that American soldiers will be dying in Iraq for a longer time than Bush will be occupying the White House.

You guys continually seem to want to equate the war on terror with the invasion of Iraq. "Liberals" as well as more and more rank and file Americans recognize these as two distinct agendas, with the former getting less attention than it deserves due to preoccupation with the latter.

Yeah, or unless you're 90% sure that someone's gonna get hurt. And that's HURT, not: get their ropes stuck, get benighted, have a sucky time, or get their pants dirty. Doesn't sound like that was the case above since those guys ended up getting on the same climb .

Good thing you were wearing that helmet!

Thanks for helping save the world Mike! You are doing your part to lessen our reliance on foreign oil! Dave, good work doing the trail cleanup shit man

I think you want to start at Stuart Pass, not Goat Pass. Goat Pass puts you on the NW Butt route.

You might try http://www.johnkerry.com/

Given our choices, Kerry is the best man for the job. That's the heart of the matter. I think it is no secret with many Kerry "supporters" that they/we are actually anti-Bush. What's with the strawman jive trying to turn that into some big evil secret that needs to be outed?

, you are out there Fat boy. Shouldn't Bush's "service" be referred to in quotes?

He didn't get banned for using the thingy. He got banned for being a completely obnoxious asshole and having a history of being a completely obnoxious asshole. That night that he got banned 14(?) times was a case where one moderator was helping him out, and being a COA too, and kept unbanning Scott. Quite lurid eh?

"He was given several opportunities to come out of the pipe and he basically signaled with his middle finger," Stone said.

I haven't been on the climbs but, was in the area on Wednesday. The NE Buttress appears to be a rock climb now. Still some snow on that section just after the steepness relents, so could be drippy. Snow was good walking snow on Wednesday, but soft enough for easily controlled glissade back down without an axe. Looked like the gully above the "thumbtack" still had snow. Of couse, this could all change by tomorrow. Does anybody really buy that the weather's gonna suck tomorrow? Sure looks nice now.

Do they yell, "Outta the way GRANDPA!!!" when they swerve past you?

thanks fern

Do you guys still consider it an onsight if you downclimb to a no-hands rest (e.g. the ground) and rest? I do.