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Wake me up when you geeks move on to Star Trek and/or Douglass Adams. So I can make fun of you some more.

Offer a free drink and Klenke'll explain whatever you want to hear

I agree that a coalition representing all climbers would be a good thing. I urge one of you guys to do something about it, or failing that, make your views heard on this message board since Matt informs us that the USFS is probably reading this thread. However, I think what Matt and Pax are talking about is a good thing too. If there is some organization among route developers specifically, then the USFS or whomever has a gripe, has somewhere to go to find out information, or say, "cut it out", or whatever, with respect to some new route or activity that is causing consternation. Getting route developers organized into a loose group that can respond to possible problems directly or indirectly caused by their specific actions is a positive idea and a doable idea. I think Matt should be commended for working toward this, AND for telling everybody on the board about it.

Chimney Rock (WA), via either the East Face or the North Face. North Face is easier approachwise and climbingwise. I think. I haven't done the East Face but have heard many stories. Depending on your speed, the W. Ridge of Sherpa (already mentioned) and/or N Ridge of Burgundy Spire might fit your six hour requirement , as would NE Butt Triumph. And of course, W Ridge of Prussik fits your requirements perfectly.

Speaking of LBJ, I got a great idea for Bush, the Republican party, our Nation, and the World. Total win win win win situation. Like LBJ, Bush outa announce he will not seek reelection because of his LBJ-in-Vietnam-like debacle. The republicans quickly tap McCain, who even with a write-in vote would trash Kerry by a landslide. Bush got what he wanted done (revenged his Dad) and gets out of the limelight before he is thoroughly discredited and disgraced. The GOP retains hold the presidency (the pro-lifers will rejoice). Our nation and the world benefit by having a reasonable administration in office which is infinitely more likely to steer us out of the storm into which BushCo has dumped us. Great idea, no?

What was the snow level? It seemed pretty warm the last couple of days rouuuuuunnnnnnd heeeeeeeeee-yer.

check out these poll results from www.pollingreport.com

still employing the mud-people strawman eh JayB? Seems to me what really animated the opposition to this war was those damn pictures. If we just heard stories about our guys torturing those we are liberating this would have never happened. Or maybe it has something to do with the fact that now "3 US Marines Dead" has become such commonplace that it is not even the top story anymore. Or maybe it has to do with the fact that a line of former generals are coming out of the woodwork to lambaste (in hindsight) a stupid policy with no chance of winning. Or maybe it has to do with the fact that we are dropping the ball on our fight about terrorism because we have our hands totally full trying not to get our asses handed to us on a platter in Iraq. Maybe it's because people are getting the message that ordinary US average Joes are beginning to have to sacrifice for this war, not just the coalition of the willing; that is, those that volunteered to be in the army reserve. Maybe the weight of lie upon lie upon lie is starting to knock down the Bush whitehouse of cards. Maybe some of this stuff is what is animating opposition to the war. Maybe it's not just those stupid no more blood for Patchouli Oil braindeadheads? Check out www.pollingreport.com. See how many people are enjoying this Iraq war. There sure must be more hippies-for-terrorism out there than I thought! Amazing.

No, both these positions are consistent with denying the right to decide what happens to a person's own body.

Yeah sorta like his There's terrorists among us, gonna kill us, 90% sure, this summer! No special reason to say this now, no need to raise the threat level, don't really need to put the authorities on extra alert. But ... There's terrorists among us, gonna kill us, maybe we'll get you some pictures. --- repeat when Bush popularity levels fall ---

life begins at 40

still not working, unless I turn off the virtual firewall working now! (the little click 'em-post guys, that is. Still no other pics like the post title icons [e.g. Dave Shultz green smile], but who cares about those guys anyway? )

still not working, unless I turn off the virtual firewall

When I turn that thing on, it deactivates all the cc.com animated gremlins. I can't have that! EDIT: Oh wait, I just tried the Google popup blocker and I can still see movement!! Hurrah! I must have been thinking of zone-alarm. Can't even see the icons when that thing is on. Thanks Cracky

I found a couple ticks on me after climbing Infinite Bliss last week and we checked 'em out with my daughter's microscope. That was pretty cool. Those things are pretty intimidating when magnified 60 times!

***WARNING**** Don't click on Scott's link above, unless you want a bunch of delayed-action pop-up crap asking you to buy domains and such. Thanks Scott.

Well he did practice Islam. And he defended some terrorist suspect. Don't you think that's enough corroboration?

Anything at Exit 38 or Vantage.

They let him go.

This might be sorta in the realm of blackhelicopterland but.... It seems like if we made it look like the US didn't like him. Like he was raging against us, that it could do nothing but help his popularity in Iraq. Might be a ploy to get a Bush sympathizer on the inside in the aftermath of the chaos that's going down July 1. <-- secretagentman smiley

me too!

You sound like a charlatan to me I think the quote should be attributed to Disreali.

scuba diving driving at freeway speed driving a winding mountain road self-administration of IV medication DRI show with Doolittle

Why? This is probably hurting you way more than this even phases them. Someone driving a Hummer is not going to even blink at a $50 fill-up. If anything, they're just contributing to higher demand which jacks up the prices which hurts you and me way more than they will ever feel.