chucK

Went up there in late July of this year. See Big Snow Spray Is that "lately" enough? What do you wanna know? pic from climb

Ironic (?) that you're going to Index to FSU on an Index CleanUp day.

After gettting frizzle-fried, you guys went UP and tagged the summit?!? I must say... YOU ROCK !!!!

Bring your own bottle bogart.

If anybody KNOWS that the VW's motives behind this are crass commercialism, then speak up. Otherwise, stop making such evil accusations just because they are a business. Perhaps VW just wants to give something to the community. Climbing is what they got to give, so that's what they're giving. I think the real scummy thing would be someone who just takes advantage of the deal and basically uses the tragedy to save themselves 15 lousy bucks. If Vertical World is gonna do this promotion (?) I assume that they will have some jar for donations that get sent to somebody (?) who needs it. If you're going to get the free climbing, I say you oughta put 15 bucks in that jar.

Check this out long scholarly-sounding paper on Giardia For meself, I hardly ever filter, though I did this last weekend camping with my 70+ year old Dad and my 6 year old daughter on a decidedly green river that ran through an established car-camping campground upstream of us. I use Iodine more often, with vitamin C tablets to neutralize it. Most of the time I just drink straight from the stream as long as I figure I'm above popular people areas. I don't think I'd drink untreated water from a lake, too many sources of possible contamination. Anyway, I've never had Giardisis. My son did though, when he was about 3 years old, probably picked up in his daycare.

quote: Originally posted by Peter Puget: Static Point - The better routes are to the right side. Shock Treatment is a great route. All are a bit more runout than your reference route. And they are much less featured as are most of the slab routes I can think of. Plus this is a very pretty area. Index - The Zipper isn't bolted slab but still slabby. PP and Erik are right about Off Duty being totally different than the fricton climbing found at Static Point/Darrington. Try out Fuddhat/Kill Da Wabbit at Static Point. Fuddhat has the totally blank friction moves. Kill Da Wabbit is more like Off Duty, with balancy moves from small hold to small hold. The Zipper is a good call, and according to the guide there is a bolted route veering out right of the crack. How about Princely Ambitions Direct? Princely proper has that 10 feet of Off Duty type small hold excitement. Midway Direct Direct has the same flavor as Off Duty but is much more runout (but only 5.9). Maybe it's less runout now if the second bolt has been replaced? [ 09-04-2002, 05:10 PM: Message edited by: chucK ]

Hey Dudes, I figure most people only get online to bitch about stuff and don't bother when they have a good experience, so I thought I'd post that I went into Feathered Friends and had a good experience. I was looking for a harness. Some helpful young man worked with me a long time on it. I bought the thing. Even the woman who's usually fairly scowly laughed or at least smirked at a couple of my stupid jokes. Feathered Friends ROCKS REI on the other hand . They ougta tear that freakin' place down, and rebuild it with a garage that has parking spaces you can fit your car into.

quote: Originally posted by mr.radon: (pack stuck in overhanging crack) That crack looks sweet! That big pack does not! quote: I've got a jpeg of the first pitch (which shows the 5.7 layback with tie off bush and entering the 5.8 slot), but I don't have a website to link to. If anyone is interested I would e-mail the jpeg and someone could put up a link. Russ (rschwartz45@attbi.com) You should have webspace with an attbi account. Check it out.

Check out Tatoosh p2. That's a goodun. Also, Beak Beak Beak. Very protectable. Squirm inside and grovel. Some people say you can layback that one, but I haven't been able to figure it out. Oh, yeah, those are both at Index, and both rated 5.9.

Speaking of Legos! Check this game out lego game (requires shockwave). It's cool. I play it, ummm,...with my kids.... Take THAT JayB!!

I just love it when people quote dictionary definitions! I mean it. I just eat that shit up! Hey Greg, Could you look up Webster's defintion of "incongruousness" for me now? Please! It's quite a mouthful. I'd like to use that in a sentence!

JayB, What you propose is a meritocracy where someone's "merit" often cannot be verified. What can be verified is whether someone's posted words are stupid or not. I think it's OK to flame posted stupidity even if the ignoramous can climb harder than me. This site is nothing more than words. Climbing is only a pervasive theme. Remember our dear departed CrazyPolishBob? He was an obnoxious prick but he claimed to climb 5.13's or something. According to your standards noone here could flame him (or 86 him). I think your idea of envisioning talking to the object of your spray in person is a good one, and I try to do that in my lucid moments. I think it's just plain stupid to think that I can't talk shit to someone (in person) if they climb harder than me. quote: I have another one to add - before making negative comments about one of your fellow climbers, imagine yourself at the base of the hardest route they're capable of leading at the moment - with an audience. Ludicrous! Why should this be a yardstick? What is so special about climbing? How about "imagine yourself trying to do the hardest math test they're capable of acing?" How about "imagine yourself trying to build the Lego creation that person has done".

Hey Peter! Now I got it! I think you're Lambone!

Heel hook dudes!

quote: Originally posted by Peter Puget: And how do you know I haven't been to a PC? You're sounding more like Trask ("how do you know I'm not a climber") every post. And I wasn't talking about the Pub Clubs at Hooters. You imply that you've been to a pub club...are you Allison!

Yes, words more offensive than that. BUT, those don't relate to climbing ability. Your whole revised premise is that specifically someone with lesser climbing ability should not question specifically the climbing ability of their better. It has nothing to do with the use of derogatory name-calling unless it relates to climbing ability right? Are you saying that it's OK or not OK to call someone an asshole or a dork based on whether they climb better than you or not? I don't think so. You should just stick to your other premise that people on this site should just treat each other with the respect one would give to someone in close striking distance. This is a reasonable suggestion. It has nothing to do with climbing or climbing ability. edit oops, it looks like I attributed PP's quote to JayB in my brain. So the above probably doesn't make a lot of sense. Peter Puget, What's this fascination with the Pub Club now? You want David to pick the music, you want me to pick up the tab? Why don't you just show up. I'm beginning to think you might be Trask or something? [ 08-21-2002, 02:18 PM: Message edited by: chucK ]

Well if that's what you mean then I don't get your point. I don't recall any cc.commies calling anyone a "weakassed climber". Has Dwayner ever called Lambone or Peter Puget lousy climbers? I don't recall that ever happening. If you do, please point it out. I'm sure it would be entertaining reading. I understand your point, but I just don't see how it relates to cc.com. What you seem to have a beef with is guys like Dwayner bagging on sportos when he's not a sporto. And that's a whole different argument.

I just brought this up last night with the effortlessly cool one and thought it'd be worthwhile to update this mossy 'ol thread chock full o' beta for an excellent climb. quote: Originally posted by mattp: I am not a terrifically gifted off width climber, but I found it no problem to lead that pitch, with a pack on, with no # 4 or #5 Camelot but just a single #11 hex (the pitch is not that steep and, while you may struggle a bit to slither up it, a real fall is unlikely). Though I can't tell you for certain (since I did have a #4 AND a #5 Camalot with, which I slid above almost the entire pitch for a virtual toprope), but I would guess that I would have been OUT OF MY FREAKIN HEAD WITH FEARS OF SEVERE TRAUMA had I led that thing with only a #11 Hex. Here's to you MattP . with a backpack??!!? backbone snaps

Is that you Lammy?

Erik, I agree that the two issues are different. But your global quote: but if you are getting pissed whilst climbing, maybe you should take a step back and re-evaluate your stance...it is all for fun!!! does not differentiate the whine of the Red Monk and the whine of the Erik. I'll tell you what Red Monk. You get me up there LEADING something at my limit on a pitch as long as Godilla you might be waiting an hour and half. After which you would be just as pissed as if I was toproping. But I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, gangropers SUCK!!! Especially the ones that just let their ropes hang there while they eat lunch or something. And especially the ones that refuse or are not receptive to your requests to lead through while their empty rope hangs there. Those guys/gals suck! They piss me off. I have re-evaluated my stance and they still suck!!

quote: Originally posted by erik: actually wed munk...i take it all back..... but if you are getting pissed whilst climbing, maybe you should take a step back and re-evaluate your stance...it is all for fun!!! your truly, arroik quote: Originally posted by erik: was wondering who the freakin moron is, who was pounding pins on 10% aka the start of jap gardens? you totally plugged up a good clean placement. if you want to learn to pound pins so somewhere else, the lower town wall is not the place. i am going to go up there and clean it tommorow. if your name is on the pins i am coming for you. 10% goes clean at c2+/c3, jap gardens is a classic easily freed line. you and your pitons and hammer make me sick..... assholes!

A past climbing partner of mine used to say, "Some people use their weekends to rest up from their job. Some people use their jobs to rest up from their weekends. I am one of the latter."

What are you talking about? You owe Capellini big time! At least now there isn't some loser like Trask maxing out your minutes and money calling 900 numbers.

quote: Originally posted by shaky: I essentially shake on lead to some extent. This fear response can then affect me mentally, thus shutting me down with a cascadng effect of bad visions, defeatest thoughts, anger/frustration. I have a problem with the "bad visions" from time to time. I'm usually imagining a worst case scenario that's not very likely, but it can shut you down. It seems to help to try recognizing when you are doing this and instead of conjuring up all the possibilities, focus on positives gained from past experience like "this foothold is bomber, I could stand here all day", instead of "if this foot blows, I'm gonna fall" [ 08-19-2002, 01:31 PM: Message edited by: chucK ]