MrGecko Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 I'm looking for your opinion on how climbers typically handle this situation. Situation A - you are climbing a big wall and your partner unpacks things from the haulbag. They set things down on a ledge and neglect to clip them in or secure them. One of your items, let's say a sleeping bag or stuff sack full of clothing, falls off the ledge. Who is responsible for replacing the said items? Is the cost shared in this case? Situation B - you are climbing with a partner and a piece of gear, lets say a cam, gets stuck and they can't remove it. There isn't much time to deal with it or rap back down and see if you can get it out. Who is responsible for replacing the item? Is the cost shared in this case? Quote
DPS Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) Situation A. Loss was due to neglect. Your partner should offer to pay. Situation B. Price of doing business, no one is at fault. Split the cost. Edited October 22, 2014 by DPS Quote
layton Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 I would split the cost in both situations - it can happen to anyone. But if I were the person who dropped, I'd offer. If that person is poor, then take something of theirs around the same worth. Quote
ivan Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 Situation A. Loss was due to neglect. Your partner should offer to pay. Situation B. Price of doing business, no one is at fault. Split the cost. x2 - just can't excuse losing shit off a wall, especially super-critical shit like a sleeping bag - that said, i've had gracious partners forgive me for doing stupid shit, so i'd have to consult my own holy-karma wheel before demanding payment Quote
telemarker Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 Situation B(2): Do you post on Cascade Climbers Lost and Found asking for it back? Quote
max Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 Partners are partners. Split the cost regardless of "who's at fault" If someone continues to demonstrate dipshit-osity, ditch them and climb sick shit solo. Quote
DPS Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 Personally, I always offer to pay if my partner's rope/gear gets stuck/lost, but never ask to be repaid if it is my gear/rope that gets lost/stuck. For me, a good partnership is far more valuable than a few dollars for some lost/stuck gear. Quote
Rafe1234 Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 I didn't close the haul bag once and my friends water bottle fell out. I offered to suffer and give him all of mine, he shared =) Quote
max Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 For me, a good partnership is far more valuable than a few dollars for some lost/stuck gear. Amen. I forgot to pack my wife's sleeping bag once.... I slept without (a bag or my wife). "Happy wife is a happy life" Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 If it's a big ticket item, I nudge my partner off the ledge along with it. Quote
DPS Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 If it's a big ticket item, I nudge my partner off the ledge along with it. That reminds me, I still have a carabiner that belongs to you. Quote
ivan Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 If it's a big ticket item, I nudge my partner off the ledge along with it. That reminds me, I still have a carabiner that belongs to you. that's okay he has one of mine so just keep it - i of course have 2 of his so i'll just...uh... stuck rope's usually not anyone's fault, unless perhaps it's one of them always-tie-a-knot-in-the-end fellers who then don't clean the knot before pulling hte rope - and that guy's not asking for my money so much as having to prusik the line Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 If it's a big ticket item, I nudge my partner off the ledge along with it. That reminds me, I still have a carabiner that belongs to you. What kind? It isn't my other revolver by any chance, is it? That would be coo. Quote
ivan Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) nope. are you gonna ask me for 1/2 now? 'cuz i can get you half 'biner. there's ways dood, you don't wanna know about them, but believe me, i can get you a half a 'biner in 30 minutes - WITH nail-polish Edited October 22, 2014 by ivan Quote
Bronco Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 Partners that exhibit careless behavior need to be made aware of it. My best partners have helped me become a better and safer climber/partner by offering constructive criticism. Have a talk with them and if they are unwilling to acknowledge the issue and address it you might look for someone else to climb with. That being said, if someone is abrasive and overly critical, they're not much fun to climb with either. Quote
dberdinka Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 Personally, I always offer to pay if my partner's rope/gear gets stuck/lost, but never ask to be repaid if it is my gear/rope that gets lost/stuck. For me, a good partnership is far more valuable than a few dollars for some lost/stuck gear. Agreed. Sometimes your just going to loose gear climbing. Taking to it like an accountant is a good way to loose the partner as well. Quote
DPS Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 If it's a big ticket item, I nudge my partner off the ledge along with it. That reminds me, I still have a carabiner that belongs to you. What kind? It isn't my other revolver by any chance, is it? That would be coo. No, it is an older bent gate carabiner. The gate is purple. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 Darn. Got plenty of those in my biner archive. Quote
JayB Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 Personally, I always offer to pay if my partner's rope/gear gets stuck/lost, but never ask to be repaid if it is my gear/rope that gets lost/stuck. For me, a good partnership is far more valuable than a few dollars for some lost/stuck gear. Nailed it. Quote
mthorman Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Good advice from everyone. One other thing that helps sometimes is to talk about it first. I have had partners tell me before the trip that they want to split the cost if anything is damaged, missing, or broken regardless of fault or situation. Makes replacement of things real easy and no awkward moments if something does happen. Quote
DPS Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Good advice from everyone. One other thing that helps sometimes is to talk about it first. I have had partners tell me before the trip that they want to split the cost if anything is damaged, missing, or broken regardless of fault or situation. Makes replacement of things real easy and no awkward moments if something does happen. What about damage to ropes like sheath damage, core shots, etc? I never expected my partners to compensate me when my ropes have been damaged and it never occurred to me to offer to compensate my partners for damage to their ropes. I will often say we bring my rack and your rope (or vice versa) and if I have to leave my gear behind as a rap anchor or whatever I view that similarly to damage my partner's rope may incur. Quote
mthorman Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 What about damage to ropes like sheath damage, core shots, etc? I never expected my partners to compensate me when my ropes have been damaged and it never occurred to me to offer to compensate my partners for damage to their ropes. Yes I should have clarified that normal wear and tear is out. Doesn't mean too much to gear other than the rope. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Essential gear I never share with my partner: my little bottle of acetone and nail polish. Edited October 23, 2014 by tvashtarkatena Quote
Stefan Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Personally, I always offer to pay if my partner's rope/gear gets stuck/lost, but never ask to be repaid if it is my gear/rope that gets lost/stuck. For me, a good partnership is far more valuable than a few dollars for some lost/stuck gear. Agreed. Reality is different if I don't have much cash to spare. Quote
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