Dave_Schuldt Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 This is not a good start to the new year. Verry depresing. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/102348_roads01.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 Holy shit! What a ridiculous idea. So, in order to get a trail, whether in North Cascades NP or a nat'l forest, opened to vehicle traffic, all someone (state, county, or individual) has to do is get a request approved by the BLM? Â Who do I send nasty letters to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpine_Tom Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 Here's my favorite passage: And in Alaska, the state government contends that even some section lines -- the imaginary grid that marks off every square mile in the nation -- are subject to the provision and can be claimed as roads. Â The best part is, it sounds like the taxpayers get to pay for PAVING the roads, too! At least now we know where our trail park dollars will be going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weekend_Climberz Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 This type of crap pisses my off sooo bad that I can hardly sit here and just let it happen. We should all make a pact to put spikes on trails and slash any tires of people who think they just go ripping through the backwoods endangering hikers and other more respectful users. This is another example of how ignorant and out of touch our president is with people who feel that pristine countryside is something to cherish and not take advantage of. There has to be a lawyer reading this right now who feels the same way. If we yell hard enough towards the east and those morons in Washington D.C. maybe we can make a difference. Finally as a warning, if I catch you riding your motorbike/ATV/4-wheeler out where I used to hike in solitude be prepared to get your redneck ass kicked severly! You will need to buy new tires and you will be walking home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leejams Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 Here is a link to the enemy's website which can allso be used to CONTACT YOUR REPRESENTATIVE!! If you read part of there website there are some statements that call what they do "a sport" hmmm I am not sure that being so useless and lazy should be called a sport. http://capwiz.com/stickers/?dir=share&lvl=C&azip=98026&x=5&y=12 Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 Weekend_climberz, I'll tell you what punk. I won't be one riding an off-road vehicle out there and I don't agree with this legislation, but if I was and you pulled that crap on me, I'd take your ass out. No shit...you'd be forest mulch. You'd better watch who you're screwing with dude, because most off-roaders that I know are liquored-up, mean motherfuckers with a serious disregard for environmentalist types. Â To confront them head on is just stupid. Take them on through legal means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Schuldt Posted January 2, 2003 Author Share Posted January 2, 2003 Well said, trask. I should also mentiionn that while I was reading that article there was a report on NPR about the increasing number of fat people in the US. See any connection? this will end up in court, so send in your $$ to help fight it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 The Seattle attorney mentioned in the PI article, Karl Forsgaard is a climber. I knew him when I worked at Optiva (now Phillips). I suggest that you contact him. The best approach will be for each of us to write or phone our representatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 (edited) Could this just be a reaction to environmentalist's constant harping about, and ongoing attempts to erode the ORV'ers EXISTING access? (ie: Dark Divide, Yellowstone snowmobiles, etc) I don't own any type of ORV (although I do accasionally ride a mountain bike), but I can understand why ORV'ers dislike the Seattle-enviro-elite crowd. Shit, many of the same intolerant groups that hate ORV'ers would also like to slap severe limits on ALL backcountry access! That includes hikers, mtn bikers, skiers, and CLIMBERS. That means you. Â 1.) I suspect that, as is often the case, the Seattle PI story does not have all of the facts. (Some of you might want to x-check this thing out before your letters start flying) 2.) I also suspect that this proposal is simply an extreme negotiating stance meant to counter the extremism often demonstrated by the "other side". Â Flame away! Â Edited January 2, 2003 by Fairweather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemon Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 dirt bikes are fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTnative Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 It remains to be seen whether private groups such as off-road-vehicle clubs could sue to open the routes. Â yah, that's GREAT Â These situations will keep haunting us as this world gets more and more crowded..Quit living so long and for god's sake, quit multiplying!!! Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary_Yngve Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Yeah, the other day a guy was telling us how much hard work and exercise it is setting high marks while snowmobiling. He was doing us a big favor at the time, so I kept my mouth shut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodchester Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Karl Forsgaard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Shameless plug. No wonder attorneys are getting a bad rap these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COL._Von_Spanker Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Anyone read monkeywrench gang? I suggest a revival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobBob Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Spanker you shameless treehugger, if I were Dante I'd condemn you to sawing spiked trees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_Simpkins Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 It's funny how Bush annonced this on Christmas Eve too. A time it would get little notice from television "news". Who with a right mind could pass something so ridiculous without having an outside agenda? There is the possibility that Bush is setting it up so his company can get dirt cheap land and roads when he's out of office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary_Yngve Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 And the congress was too busy passing this stupid bill and didn't have any time to renew unemployment benefits? Â What the hell is wrong with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Well how fucking long does it take to find a goddamned job? 2 or 3 years be enuf time for ya? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Who gets 2 or 3 years of unemployment money, ass? My benefits run out this week, and I have had one interview in 8 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 If you've been unemployed for 8 months you're just a lazy bastard with no real motivation. You probably want it handed to you on a silver platter. Lose the tongue ring, get to work like the rest of us poor slobs, and quit your bitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Parker Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 I've always maintained that Congress should spend 3 years making new laws and 1 year taking antiquated laws off the books. Prime example. To think that some law passed over 100 years ago on how to manage our public land is appropriate and acknowledges todays reality is absurd. If we are going to be that way, I say give it all back to the Native Americans and let them say how we get to use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Schuldt Posted January 2, 2003 Author Share Posted January 2, 2003 I'am shure the are. Cant wait to see what happens when dirt bikes and horses share the same trail. Someone will get hurt when the horse spooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Eat shit, trask. I worked in landscaping for two months in the summer until the work ran out. I run my own web design business, am taking an architecture course, and have been applying for every job in my field for which I'm remotely qualified. Today I'll probably be walking over to the new Walgreens that's opening in my neigborhood to put in my hat for a minimum wage slave job selling dental floss. Â If people like me are such a boil on your backside, why don't you set up your own communist dictatorship, where everyone gets a job and no one is allowed to complain? Â That, or hire me, you dumb fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Maybe I should hire you Slothrot. Know anything about the drug trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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