DPS Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Add to that: long approach, climbing with a pack, cold hands, loose rock, wind, deteriorating weather...totally different experience than red pointing that 11a in the gym. I'd like to be able to red point an 11a in the gym. Last time I was in a gym a girl asked me if I'd just started rock climbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatboy Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 I think it's important to be able to report incidents like this and respectfully analyze what happened, what can be learned, alternative solutions, and extrapolate to what would we do differently in the future, without the needless shaming/blaming. We have all benefited from reading ANAM in the past and the downside of too much cyber-bashing is that it deters people from reporting what's actually happening out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 I think it's important to be able to report incidents like this and respectfully analyze what happened, what can be learned, alternative solutions, and extrapolate to what would we do differently in the future, without the needless shaming/blaming. We have all benefited from reading ANAM in the past and the downside of too much cyber-bashing is that it deters people from reporting what's actually happening out there. This mishap doesn't strike me as one that needs a lot of "analyzing and extrapolating upon" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainsandsound Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 All parties agreed that steep technical mountaineering routes with thousands of feet of exposure above massive glaciers are much more difficult than the same level of climbing difficulty in a gym which they were more accustomed to." Classic sentence. Professional rangerspeak for: "Some gym rats got scared when they took it outside." I don't ever want to make it in ANAM. But I really don't ever want to make the "exceeding abilities" category. Glad they're OK. Nothing like shame mixed with fear to motivate learning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldfinger Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I guess I am left wondering why they don't teach how to "bail" in gyms...... Seems odd as they had rope and gear! One take home is ALWAYS bring bail cordage (6mm and/or supertape) AND a small knife.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 This mishap doesn't strike me as one that needs a lot of "analyzing and extrapolating upon" Yeah, forty rolls of blue tape to mark the holds and it should be good to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Below is the (*long*) trip report compiled by the parties involved within days of the incident for submission to Search&Rescue. You may notice a some variations from the much abbreviated NPS version. While this is a long read, it may interest those wishing to understand the situation more accurately. Lessons learned are included at the end. Names have been changed. There were two teams involved, totaling eight people. During the climb, one of the teams became separated. While members of the two teams were familiar with each other, the two teams were separate and only happened to be in the same place at the same time. The activities of the Other Party will be described only when they pertain to the S&R response. • Orange Rope – Trish and Tiana • Green Rope – Molly and Sam (Green and Orange are Molly’s group) • Other Party – Abby, Conner, John, Sally Parties climbing this route must use their own discretion regarding simul-climbing and belayed pitches. For this reason, it can be difficult to pinpoint exact locations and even the length of a “pitch” is difficult to define. Photographs are included with estimated locations labels. On Saturday, 27 July, all of the parties made their way to Wing Lake from the Rainy Pass trailhead without incident. The two teams briefly chat, and Molly’s team decides to get up at 04:30. Other Party had previously settled on a 03:30 wake-up. On Sunday, 28 July, the weather was clear as everyone woke up, and after the sun came up around 5:30, the temperature steadily rose from the 40’s into the 60’s and 70’s midday. The weather began to deteriorate midday, and by 16:00-17:00, there were lightning strikes visible in the area. After this squall, the weather cleared up and by sunset, thunderstorm activity had ceased. Each member of the two teams carried the ten essentials. The Orange Rope is ~40m long, the Green Rope is ~36m long. Sam carried a Spot locator beacon. 04:30 Orange Rope and Green Rope – Wake up at Wing Lake 05:25 Orange Rope and Green Rope – Walk up toward the route 08:00 Orange Rope and Green Rope – Rack up at the base of the route. Orange Rope – Lead out with Trish in the lead position with a radio, Tiana second. Simulclimbing. Green Rope – Behind the Orange Rope with Sam in the lead, Molly second with a radio. Also simul-climbing. 3 Pitches In Orange Rope and Green Rope – Movement stops, Trish explains to Molly on the radio that she is having routefinding troubles and asks Sam to come up for a discussion. Sam arrives near Trish, and Molly arrives near Tiana. It is decided that the Green Rope will move into the lead position with the Orange Rope following. Molly considers that the 1st and 4th persons should have the radios, so she hands her radio over to Tiana. As Molly moves past Trish, she mentions that Tiana now has her radio, but no mention is made of Trish’s radio. This means that both radios are now on the Orange Rope. Orange Rope – The new route involves downclimbing, which makes Tiana nervous, so Trish anchors in to belay. Then Tiana anchors in to belay Trish up to the ridge. There is some confusion despite Molly explaining the route, resulting in Trish ending up on loose rock that is significantly harder than 5.4, but she eventually makes it to the ridge, near Point ❶. While they were still simul-climbing, Tiana pulls a rock and some dirt down on herself and takes a fall while simul-climbing. Trish does not notice due to the rope drag, and fortunately Tiana is unhurt, but between this and having to traverse a section that Trish admittedly didn’t protect well for the follower, she is feeling sketched out. Green Rope – Waits about ½ pitch ahead, at Point ❶, for 20 minutes as Trish builds the anchor. Molly tries to explain the route, but as mentioned in previous paragraph, this does not result in faster movement. After 20 minutes, Green Rope continues onward 1 pitch for a better view. Orange Rope does not appear to be moving. Green Rope shouts to Orange Rope and gets confirmation of “OK but moving slow on tough terrain.” Green Rope waits a further 20 minutes at this spot, and then continues onward one more pitch. Orange Rope is out of view, and no response can be heard when Green Rope calls out to Orange Rope. Green Rope waits 20 minutes here, and then continues one pitch. From this location, Green Rope can see Orange Rope, and can see that Trish is looking for the next part of the route. Green Rope shouts to indicate route, and Trish responds affirmatively. Molly gives more route finding tips for the next portion. Green Rope continues on, reassured that Orange Rope is back on route. There is no visibility or contact from here until Green Rope arrives at “False Summit.” ~ Noon Green Rope – Arrives at “False Summit.” Can see Other Party ahead, proceeding toward summit block. Can also see from this vantage point that Trish has arrived at Point ❶, a ledge with a small evergreen tree where Sam had earlier belayed. Some shouting is possible, and Green Rope can see that Trish builds an anchor and waits until Tiana breaks down the previous anchor and moves out. Orange Rope – Trish is still belaying Tiana up to the ridge when the Green team reaches the “False Summit.” Now that she is back on the ridge, Trish thinks they should be able to move faster. However it takes a while for Tiana to climb through the difficult off route section up to Trish’s anchor, having to take once. By the time Tiana joins Trish at the anchor, Green Rope is no longer in sight or earshot. 13:00 Green Rope – Rain can be seen in the distance. Green Rope continues on, out of view of Orange Rope. Green stops to look and shout after each pitch, but there is no contact. Options are discussed: downclimbing, waiting, getting help, etc., but climbing continues. 14:30 Green Rope – Arrives at the base of the summit block. Other Party is rappelling from the summit. Other Party – Discusses situation with Green Rope. Based on the situation, can only assume that Orange Rope is still moving albeit slowly. Offers food, water, space blanket but Green Rope decides not to take anything at this point. Other Party departs via the South Scramble descent route at ~15:00. 15:00 Green Rope – Waits at Point ❸, the furthest back they feel safe going without belayed downclimbing, and closest to where they expect Orange Rope to be coming from. Options are discussed, including sending out SOS via the Spot, but this seems premature and would provide an inaccurate location (Green Rope’s location instead of the Orange Rope). Lots of shouting and looking, but no contact. Green Rope figures that Orange Rope was 1.5-2 hours behind, and the last time they saw Orange Rope was about 2 hours ago at 13:00. Climbing gets easier after the “False Summit,” which is the farthest point back Green Rope can see. Decides that if no sign of the Orange Rope can be seen by 17:00, Green Rope will descend and if no further sign can be seen during the descent, will get back to camp and hike out to get help. 17:30 Green Rope – Thunder and lightning in the area. After building many cairns to indicate the start of the South Scramble descent, Molly writes a note and places it in a very large cairn at the northernmost point of the un-roped section. Green Rope begins descent. Other Party – Arrives in camp, having seen no sign of either Green or Orange Ropes on the descent. Packs up and prepares to hike out. Concern grows due to the weather. Options are discussed, including staying and even having two members re-climb the route, but cannot conclude that help is needed at this point. Orange Rope – Continues climbing, with Trish making very deliberate moves and spending a lot of time double-checking placements and anchors now that she knows they are separated. Trish hears Molly yelling at one point, perhaps something about cairns, but her response is not heard by the Green Rope. Both Trish and Tiana are nervous, but they continue climbing knowing that the best option is to get up and over rather than downclimbing the route or rappelling the face. Trish encounters more routefinding issues, but they keep going. 18:30 Other Party – Departs Wing Lake. Taking a final passing glance at the mountain, John notices figures on the snowfield leading down from the South Scramble route. After a moment, it becomes clear that there are only two figures, so Other Party decides to wait at Wing Lake in case help is needed. 19:45 Green Rope and Other Party – Green Rope informs Other Party that they did not see the Orange Rope at the summit after three hours. A discussion ensues, and a plan is made. Other Party writes down relevant rescue information and will hike out tonight. Since no evidence of injury or incident has come up, the assumption will be that the Orange Team is simply moving very slowly but is unhurt. Therefore, Other Party will not call S&R until noon the next day if no further word is received. Green Rope will stay at Wing Lake until either Orange Rope arrives in camp, or rescue personnel arrive. This gives Orange Rope the rest of the evening plus most of the morning to make it out before an S&R request is made. Other Party will also contact loved ones and inform them of the situation so that they don’t make a premature call to S&R and there is only one call being made if at all. After leaving most of their food, Other Party departs, and Green Rope hunkers down for the night. 20:00 Orange Rope – Reaches a nice ledge and sees cairns. Still seem to be a long way from the “False Summit.” Trish is having trouble focusing and is becoming indecisive. She’s been lead climbing for 12 hours at this point and it seems unlikely they will be able to reach the descent route tonight, so even though sunset is still an hour away, they decide to stop for the night. 21:00-22:00 Green Rope – Around 21:00, Green Rope spots a headlamp on the ridge. It seems to be in the same spot where they were last seen at 13:00, Point ❷. This seems to indicate that they have not moved much if at all in 8 hours, so something must be wrong. However, having one person hike out in the dark alone is dangerous and someone should still stay in camp, so Green Rope decides to stay put. At 04:00, Molly will hike out. Other Party – Around 21:30, Other Party also sees the headlamp on the ridge. A photo is taken, giving the location of the headlamp, Point ❷. Other Party also concludes that based on the position, the likelihood that something has happened has gone up significantly, and S&R should be called as soon as possible instead of at noon. The photo is later emailed to S&R. Orange Rope – Can see headlamps at Wing Lake and near Heather Pass. Tiana uses her headlamp to signal back, but not knowing any code, all anybody can do is just flash back and forth. Trish keeps her radio on for a while, hoping maybe someone would find another radio back at camp or find another party with a radio, but after a while shuts it down to conserve power. 00:30 Other Party – Arrives at trailhead. Leaves a note on Molly’s car informing of the decision to call S&R as soon as possible due to the headlamp sighting. Heads out toward Newhalem. 02:00 Other Party – Arrives Newhalem. Sally calls 911 with the rest of the team on speaker in the car, and after about 10 minutes, K.B. from NPS North Cascades calls back. She quickly establishes the situation, and says that the options are to send in rangers on foot first thing in the morning, or to spin up the helicopter. At this point, no decision is made on this. Sally will send the photo of the headlamp on the ridge when she gets home, and will remain the contact person for the time being. Further calls are made to loved ones of the Orange and Green Ropes to inform them of the situation. 04:30 Green Rope – Molly departs Wing Lake solo, not knowing that S&R has been called. She packs out the trad gear, trash, one stove, and one bivy. Leaves one stove, water filter, rope, tent, and one bivy at Wing Lake with Sam. Orange Rope – Sees first light around 04:10, but decides to wait for better light to start moving. Is unaware that S&R has been called. 06:00 Orange Rope – Starts moving out. Move up and onto the ridge, continues pitching out routes with both agreeing that it looked pretty mellow, requiring less protection. Ended up simul-climbing a short section because Trish went a full rope length and could not find a suitable place to build an anchor. One radio was dead at this point, and the other appeared to be dying, so they are both turned off. 07:30 Green Rope – Molly arrives at trailhead, and sees note from Other Party. She drives E, reaching cell reception near Mazama, WA, and calls Sally. Other Party – Having returned to Seattle after making the 911 call, Sally remains available on the phone to K.B. as well as others, and acts as impromptu point of contact. Hears from Molly and informs her of the S&R response, and after consulting with K.B., relays that Molly should go back to the trailhead to assist with the rescue personnel there. 09:45 Green Rope – Molly arrives back at trailhead. Rescue personnel are just setting up. 10:00 Orange Rope – As Trish arrives at the end of the third pitch, just below what she believes is the “False Summit,” the NPS helicopter arrives on the scene. She is upset to see the helicopter, making the situation seem more serious and hating that she was about to be “one of those people that had to get rescued,” and very scared to be short hauled. Trish and Tiana are also unsure whether it is okay to request to be rescued since they are not actually hurt. She gives the helicopter a thumbs up, hoping they could just keep climbing on their own. However, she reaches the top of a wall where she had hoped to see the summit and the way down, and sees only more climbing so she is unsure if they are actually on the “False Summit.” Trish regrets not waving the helicopter down. 11:00 – Noon Orange Rope – The helicopter returns, and this time, a ranger is hanging from the helicopter. Tiana is lifted out first, and then Trish. They are back at Wing Lake by noon. Despite her initial reluctance to be short hauled Trish is relieved and very grateful to the rescuers. Over the course of two days she had lead climbed for 16 hours and was ready to stop thinking. The longer they climbed the greater the risk of injury so the rescue was very much appreciated and needed. After meeting and discussing with K.B., they pack up camp and start hiking out with Sam, who takes as much heavy gear as he can (both ropes and trad gear). 15:00 Green and Orange Ropes – Back together on the trail, as Molly had hiked back in to meet the descending three after learning that they were okay, and help carry packs. Also with her is Sam’s girlfriend, who had driven out in the morning. 18:00 Dinner in Marblemount. Everyone is off the mountain safe. Lessons learned: • Many small errors confounded to lead into the situation. • The rope teams became separated after the Orange Rope started having trouble with routefinding. When a less experienced/slower rope team is leading, the group tends to stay together even though the second team may feel impatient at times. However, when the more experienced/faster team is leading, the group will have a natural tendency to drift apart. They should have discussed what the expectations are in terms of speed and spacing, and how often to wait. • Once the teams became separated, the lack of communication then became a major contributing factor. Had the radios been properly distributed, the Orange Rope could have let the Green Rope know that they weren’t hurt, but just moving slowly. Having lost contact, the best one can do is make assumptions. • Team dynamics contributed to the situation in several ways: the four members of the team were not all familiar with each other prior to this climb and this lack of familiarity may have contributed to a reluctance to ask the lead rope to wait/slow down. • Experience levels may not have been level loaded in the best way. Trish was a competent crag climber, but this was her first alpine lead. Tiana was also on her first alpine technical climb. Molly had alpine rock experience (Ingalls, the Tooth), but is a more nervous leader. Sam had the most technical experience but was the newest to the group and did not know as much of the others’ history. • The commitment factor of this route contributed to the situation: there was no easy way to bail once on the route. The only feasible way to go, as long as both climbers were physically able, was up and over. Furthermore, it would have been very difficult for the Green Rope to downclimb or rappel back to the Orange Rope to check on them. • In planning a climb, it is important to choose the right climb for the party, instead of picking a climbing goal and then filling the slots on the team without regard to their abilities, experience, and risk tolerance – arguably a form of “summit fever.” • There is a very large gradient in the “alpine” world of technical climbing. One cannot rely on a grade and basic route description to understand truly the challenges involved with the climb. • As a first alpine lead, this climb was a challenge beyond expectations. At the very least, it would have been beneficial to be able to swap leads – being on lead for many hours straight is mentally exhausting. With practice, routefinding, gear placement, and anchor building become more proficient. Positive actions: • Everyone had the ten essentials (with the exception of one headlamp). • Orange rope was able to recognize that daylight was short and that they were tired – stopping at a good location rather than having a location forced upon them by nightfall. • Trish and Tiana did not panic, recognizing that the safest option was to continue up, climbing within their comfort level, even though it was slow. • The coordination between the Green Rope and Other Party, once established, was good. • The Other Party was sent out with all of the relevant information (location, parties involved, last known location, known plans, make model license of car, etc.) for rescue personnel. • Staying at Wing Lake after the headlamp was sighted on the ridge meant that the Molly didn’t put herself at unnecessary risk by hiking out in the dark alone. 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dberdinka Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 Huge credit to you for posting an account of the climb. Some might disagree or add to the lessons learned but you have certainly put a lot of thought into it. Definitely sounds like everyone kept their composure and kept a poentially bad situation from getting worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Definitely agree there are different thoughts/opinions on the lessons learned. Its a great starting point for discussion and has been very useful to learn more of the different technique ideas out there. Would love if this thread could turn into that sort of advice board and skip the non-constructive bashing. (No one in the group was a gym only climber, NPS misnomer, more crag and alpine snow, alpine rock was newer. Those familiar with the route will understand why it is not a safe one to "bail" from.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldfinger Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 This mishap doesn't strike me as one that needs a lot of "analyzing and extrapolating upon" Yeah, forty rolls of blue tape to mark the holds and it should be good to go You are wrong--sounds like Orange and Green tape. And where the trouble started seems to be where it often is (fatality here last summer)--parties got separated and had no clear plans or communication plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 (edited) In my house, we have a "panic rule" that could be applied to this example. If I'm out on a cragging or a "short-day" alpine climb, like Snoqualmie Pass, than I have until midnight to call home. On an all-day climb (i.e., Dragontail), I have until noon the next day to call home before SAR is called. If its a bigger, overnight trip I have until dark the day after I'm supposed to be exiting. We have a dry erase board in the gear room that I list the route I'm climbing. I write the "panic time" at the bottom. Lately I've taken to adding the park/forest/wilderness area and county the climb is located in - since SAR ops outside of National Parks are managed by the Sheriff, its useful to be able to tell 911 which county SAR lieutenant you need to speak to. I've lost count of how many times I've finished climbs in the dark, and hiked out much, much later than we ever planned for. Twice in 15 years I've had an unplanned bivy. And I'd rather get home, late, tired, and with a great story about why I'm late than to have a helicopter flying around my head prematurely. Yes, this could delay life-saving assistance. But I value being self-reliant, enough that I'll accept that small increased risk to climb in the mountains on my own terms. If I want an increased margin of safety I carry some means of electronics (SPOT, radio, sat-phone, etc) to call for help for myself. I agree with Coldfinger - the lesson here seems to be "have a plan." If you're climbing as two rope teams, talk about what the plan is if someone get's hurt, or if a team doesn't make it back to camp. If you've told someone back home that you're going to be out be 6pm or else - let your partners know! This is an easy conversation to have in the car on the drive up, or in camp the night before. Edited August 29, 2013 by chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Perhaps the best training for the mountains is scrambling and climbing in the mountains. There are many situations where options for protection are sparse and/or placing protection to pitch-out 4th class terrain is impractical because it slows you down so much. People who want to transition to the mountains might consider scrambling non-technical peaks. Climbing is about more than ratings. Just ask the folks who have done the Index traverse, climbed Jberg by any route, or climbed the Nooksack tower. Buy the Beckey guides and the scramble book and have fun along the way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonG Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Climbing is about more than ratings. Just ask the folks who have done the Index traverse, climbed Jberg by any route, or climbed the Nooksack tower. Ha! So very true. Chris and Rad give some great advice. Moving fast and efficiently over loose, exposed terrain is an acquired skill like any other and it helps to start easy and work up to long 5th class routes. And, it helps to be very clear with partners and loved ones back home if/when to initiate a rescue. Having a real PLB (not SPOT) with each team can take a lot of the guess work out of making the rescue call as well. This is what I and my partners carry now after a friend's mishap on Terror a few years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Having a real PLB (not SPOT) with each team can take a lot of the guess work out of making the rescue call as well. +1! that SPOT shit sucks ass, I always bring a real PLB with me now. They're so small and light these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfinley Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Having a real PLB (not SPOT) with each team can take a lot of the guess work out of making the rescue call as well. I always bring a real PLB with me now. They're so small and light these days. I carry a Spot for convenience of contacting both my contact and potential rescuers with one device. I set a time and if my contact has not heard from me by that time they should contact SAR. The Spot works great for those days where I said I'd be home at 6pm and instead get home at 6am. As for the downsides that people talk about -- I've managed to send OK messages from all over Alaska, Canada and the lower 48 without issues. Thankfully I've never used the SOS feature. Ideally I'd have a real PLB that also sends OK messages - but I never bring my phone on trips where there is no coverage and as of yet there are no stand alone devices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonG Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 In general I think SPOT's tend to work well for most folks. There has just been a few high profile SOS failures that make me nervous. I just tell my wife that I'm OK unless she gets a call (or I'm 24 hours overdue). Of course that doesn't make her worry less when I'm overdue, but I'd rather have a device that will work for sure when I need it. It would be nice if a there was a cross over product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I know this isn't really meant to be another SPOT thread, but I've personally dealt with SPOT in emergency situations and they handled it basically like they were completely retarded. I hope I never, ever have to deal with them in an emergency ever again. Additionally, I brought a SPOT with me to Rainier for a week in winter and couldn't get a single "Hi I'm OK" message out through the clouds the entire week. I do like the "It's not an emergency but I need help" functionality the SPOT provides (for example, if I can't find my bike when I get back to the trailhead and need someone to pick me up, etc.) but I have basically zero faith in the SPOT reception at this point to count on it ever for anything. YMMV! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 SPOT has uses and limitations like any other tool. There are many situations where you will want to communicate complex, non-standard messages and have 2-way communication, which no SPOT or PLB will do. I'll refrain from linking the Climber 9-1-1 NWMJ article that talks about accidents and signaling devices. You can find it with google if you want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonG Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Good to know Rob, that sounds like much worse performance than I've heard from some other folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trumpetsailor Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Thanks for the write-up, Meredith. We were on the ridge ahead of 'Other Party', and chatted with them at the col. We didn't see Green nor Orange all day (wondered why we didn't; we chatted the night before). If our thoughts/photos might be of use, please get in touch (cah49@uw.edu). It's a committing alpine route. Thank you for the clearer perspective on the day's events! Very glad everyone came home safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatboy Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Thanks for the detailed analysis and willingness to share your story so those so inclined can benefit from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) I skimmed this and may have missed the obvious: Why not balance the talent of the two teams beforehand, or at least once the speed difference became apparent if the objective was to stay together? Seems like that is the # 1 thing learned to me. That, and nocturnal whitewater paddling probably isn't going to catch on any time soon. Edited September 9, 2013 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 tvashtarkatena you've got it. Team balancing and staying together would have a made a difference. The first was hindered by the team not knowing eachother well, and the second partly by concern of impending t-storms and partly by poor planning/communication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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